Of Jinnah, Jaswant and Hanuman…
by Vijay Vikram
It is no secret that the BJP high-command has avoided any attempt at genuine reflection on the reasons for defeat in the 2009 General Elections. In fact, the emerging consensus within India’s miniscule right-wing intelligentsia is that the BJP never quite recovered from the defeat in 2004 and continued on with the 2009 campaign on autopilot. Admittedly, the media strategy in 2009 was excellent: The clever subversion of the Congress’ triumphalist ‘Jai Ho’ with the sober ‘Bhay Ho’ jingle and the inclusion of young, IT-savvy talent for LK Advani’s personal image boosting initiative are cases in point. All this however, could not hide the rot at the base of the party. This defeat was a political defeat. It was not about image management. It was not about re-packaging Hindutva in more modern prose. The electorate rejected India’s version of a conservative party wholeheartedly.
Rajnath Singh and his ilk realise this. They realise that if the party sat down and did some actual chintan at the Chintan Baithak, their variety of conservatism would be declared an electoral liability in newly aspirational India. The resulting restructuring of the BJP would inevitably cut short the political careers of certain sections of the party. Like any political animal, this group’s primary impulse is to survive in the face of looming obscurity. It is in this context that the shock expulsion of Jaswant Singh must be viewed.
While Jaswant Singh’s sacking may not be a case of calculated news management as Vinod Mehta of Outlook suggested on a current affairs programme, it definitely hints at a totalitarian impulse aimed at homogenising the party and smothering legitimate intellectual expression.
As it happens, the period of history that this political controversy has thrown up is equally fascinating. Jaswant Singh has propounded a contrarian reading of Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s political philosophy. He is by no means the first to interpret Jinnah as a calm, secular politician. But, Mr Singh’s public role ensures that the book and the arguments contained therein receive an inordinate amount of media attention as compared to any other piece of scholarly work. The crux of his thesis, as I am given to understand is that history has been unfair to Jinnah. In a sense, Jinnah’s complicity in the Partition of India has been exaggerated and that of Nehru’s Congress has been underplayed - perhaps in order to make for a more comfortable nationalism for the Indian masses to subscribe to.
The pork-eating, cigar-smoking Jinnah clearly does not make for a very good poster boy for the Two Nation Theory and Pakistani nationalism. Jaswant Singh’s argument is that Jinnah’s mutation from secular nationalist to communal scaremonger was caused by his desire to carve out a space in Indian politics that he could call his own in the face of increasing Nehruvian hegemony. Jinnah then, crafted a constituency that evolved into Pakistan. He reserved his antipathy for Nehru and the Congress, not the Hindus. The idea of Pakistan, which germinated in the brain of Cambridge student Choudhary Rahmat Ali in 1932 become a potent political weapon in the hands of Jinnah.
Perhaps it was a tad indiscreet for a practicing politician of national prominence to indulge in revisionist accounts of the founder of Pakistan whilst he remained a serving member of a political party. Winston Churchill for example, waited till his retirement from active public life before publishing his account of the Second World War. This abrupt expulsion however, smacks of an increasingly insecure leadership in the BJP that is keen to preserve the status quo and prolong its spell in power. The party is likely to lurch from one controversy to the other till the time a new generation of charismatic leadership is allowed to emerge. Jaswant Singh in the meantime has all the time in the world to write.
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139 Responses to “Of Jinnah, Jaswant and Hanuman…”
It is with dismay that I watch the developments in the BJP, while the rotten Congress seems to be getting its dynastic act together.
While Jaswant Singh’s expulsion was unfortunate, I dont think that the BJP leadership was left with any choice - as the timing of the release of the book, is horrendously wrong! You are right, Jaswant should have waited for his political retirement, which couldn’t have been far in any case, before releasing his book.
Having siad that, he does have a point - when he asks for a re-appraisal of Jinnah, as also a Nehru, whose lust for power and the desire to be the first PM of India, come what may, was an equal contributor to partition. Frankly, Saradar Patel also aquiesced to this decision - and deserves to be rightfully criticized for his act of passing the Congress resolution in the absence of Gandhi and Azad. Unfortunately, the propensity of Indians to demonize is only beaten by our ability to idolize! The BJP is as unlikely to accept this minor blemish on the reputation of a genuinely great man like Sardar Patel, as the Congress is likely to accept the massive warts on the reputation of its presiding deity - Nehru.
In the process, let intellectual rigour be damned. We once again pay the prise of being an immature democracy, where we would rather vote on the basis of the hallucinogenic drip of NREGA, or the loan waivers, or the hypnotic endorphin of a charismatic dynast like Rahul Gandhi.
We need to mature into issues - and let the BJP learn how to raise them - as a constuctive opposition - as that is the only way it can grab back the right to govern.
I just don’t understand the need and urgency for raising and discussing this topic. Jaswanth, for his part should have sensed the differences his book would raise and should have attempted to handle them and taken the party to confidence before going public. If he was prepared to go alone, I just don’t see why the media and public should make a hue and cry over his expulsion. The manner in which he was expulled can be debated for long, and there is no one good way to do something that is not nice to do.
यसवंत सिंह को अपनी किताब जारी ही करनी थी तो राजनीती से रिटायर्मेंट के बाद जारी करते . ऐसा नहीं है की बीजेपी में रहते उन्होंने अपनी किताब जारी की तो बीजेपी पर कोई फर्क नहीं पड़ता .कांग्रेस इसे एक मुद्दे के रूप में उछालती और बीजेपी को राजनीतिक रूप से भारी नुक्सान उठाना पड़ता . लोगों को यह नहीं भूलना चाहिए की बीजेपी एक राजनितिक दल है बुद्धिजिवयों का कोई संगठन या संस्था नहीं .बीजेपी को वोट के लिए जनता के बीच जाना पड़ता है . जहां बीजेपी को इस बात का जवाब जनता को देना पड़ता .
लोगों को कांग्रेस से भी सवाल करना चाहिए की जसवंत सिंह की किताब को उन्होंने क्यों जलाया .न तो मीडिया न बाकी लोग कांग्रेस से यह सवाल कर रहे हैं .
I am no friend or an enemy of the BJP but I find it starnge that after 62 years of Independence that we are still wasting our time in issues which have absolutely no relevence to the current situation. If I understand correctly, Jaswant Singh’s background is as an army major and then as a career politician culminating as Cabinet Minister. He should have concentrated his energy in the direction of the current ills and problems where he has some knowledge. Instead what this guy does is focus his energy on an issue which is best left to career historians who have full understanding on the subject.Further I find there is a sickness among the north Indians especially 50 years and above and this sickness is theirs focus on 2Ps - Partition and Pakistan. Both are lost causes best left alone.We have innumerable issues affecting our day to day life caused to a large extent by the crooked Indians amongst us. It is better we concentrate our energy is ridding corruption and instilling the virtue of proper governance.Jaswant and his ilk are a waste of time.So are the north Indians who have fixation on these 2Ps…For heaven’s sake, please grow up!!
It looks like India and Indian Civilization’s days are numbered. While it’s most talented people have dedicated themselves to science and technology, the second rung consisting of Ambanis, Mittals and Murthis are busy minting money. The mediocre are in the media and the most rotten class is in politics, beurocrcy and religion. I am beginning to realize that all politicians, irrespective of their political affiliations are just scumbags. They only wear different masks. But whether they call themselves Congi, Commi, BJPite, Leftist, Rightist, Centrist or whatever, essentially they are one.
With this utterly incompetent Rajnath Singh at the helm of the BJP, my all hopes of revival of a genuine political force in the country are fading. Now I just hope that BJP dies soon so that further dismemberment of the country by the Congis and Commies in connivance with the external hostile forces can be brought about rather faster without much resistance.
Being ideologically closer to the BJP, I am finding it difficult to digest two of the recent decisions made by the party. One is of course the Jaswant Singh sacking case, another one being Vasundhara Raje being told to quit (even with majority of the MLAs with her). I have expressed my views on my own blog. Have a look : http://good-for-nothin.blogspot.com/2009/08/bjp-vs-democracy.html
Irrespective of the content of the book, the method adopted by BJP leadership in sacking Jaswant Sing is wrong.BJP which is being accused of living in the past is justifying it by creating a lot of fuss about a book on history.The book itself would have become history in one or two weeks.It is time to move on.Faster the BJP realises this, better for it.
Indiscipline needs to be dealt with iron hands and the insiders who constantly leak stories to the ever hungry and hostile Medea needs to be sacked.Are we asking for too much?
Shiv, Agree with you. The only point of difference is that few people do not represent the whole of North India. I am one and I find it totally disgusting that people like Jaswant have more time for Jinnah than for Indians. Let us refrain from generalizing.
The NET RESULT OF CHINTAN BAITHAK = ZERO
The OLD HAGGARD LKA is so fond of power that he refuses to go. He wishes BJP another DEFEAT in 2014.
Woh be-akal ka budhdha smajhta nahin ki uski lathi choot gai hai. Ab woh bhi girehga aur uski party ko bhi apna saath narak mein leh jayega.
All the CHAMCHAS OF LKA are holding their posts.
All absolved because they worship and idolise the staunch congressman Sardar Patel.
Bhaar mein jaye aisi ideology. pooja karein woh bhi opposition party ke leader ki? Party ka apna koi idol nahin?
as Jaswant Singh told, if there is no partition, no pakistan, there wouldnt have been RSS, muslims would not be always want to prove thier loyalty, muslims would be better represented in parliment and civic bodies, well educated, less poverty, secure, probably no babri masjid demolition, no gujarat killings & burnings, no kashmir problem and so on….and some of you as well…
i can’t stop comparing Rajnath singh to a telugu cinema villian …lol
bloody goons and rowdies…who speak pure hindi… ha ha
TESTMAIL- Since you are from north, if you say I am making a generalisation, then I will change my views and hope that there is still a chance that India can progress. But one thing - None of us in south give a flying f*** about partition or Pakistan.Yes,, we hardly suffered the consequences of partion or saw the brutality associated with it but if the politicians from north keep on harping on these issues even after 62 years, we will continue to think that they just cannot see what the real issues affecting real indians are and they do not matter to the real Indian cause.If you come across any of these old wags, please tell them on our behalf,enough of this nonsense. I wish we had a pied piper in your part of India!!
It is really baffling to see a group of talented leaders who promised so much during NDA rule,wasting their energy in power-struggle while the real power is resting with Congress.Equally baffling is the way they’re wasting their time on one of the culprits of partition,whereas the other culprit’s family is enjoying the power without any resistance.While British ruled us under the Divide and Rule policy,only to be unified by Gandhi(original) and other selfless leaders,Nehru’s Congress masquerading as Gandhi’s dynasty,is carrying forward the policy of British rule- Divide and Rule.
It’s high time BJP realizes it’s responsibility as principle opposition party for the sake of the nation and wrests the initiative from the dynasty-Congress.
B.R.Shetty - Well said!!
Elections are far away, but no matter what BJP would hardly get past 100 seats now if elections are held, lol! what an irony, zero to hero to zero, circle completed.
Dear
Cant BJP senior leaders talk to each other before showing their writting skills in public through books.
This is very good example for other BJP leders (as most of them are post retirement duty in party)who are willing to write books on other than India Burning Issues must resign fom primary membrship of the party and then publish their Books/Autobiographies/Documentries etc. etc.
Plz dont spoil the image of BJP and hard work of Vajpayeeji And Adavaniji.
Enough is Enough.
BJP Leaders Eat,Drink,Think,Work,& Act for Hindustan and Hindus.
Make India Free From Congress!!!!!!!!!!!!
SKumar,Indian
21 Aug’09
Skumar well said. I think the founders of BJP had did some hard work and we hope the present generation leaders understand it and act responsibly.
Also,it looks like S.V.Patel had no other way to accept partition with the stubborn attitude the IML and Jinnah took . The wikipedia has lot of information on why he also approved partition. On the whole, Jinnah is hell bent on partition because of Nehru and Congress hegemony.
I think Jaswant should have waited before publishing this controversial book - I cannot think of any other senior contemporary politician in India or USA who has been as irresponsible in choosing to right such a controversial book while tsaying in office. What he wrote may very well be true but it is easy to see that Cong I would have used this to their electoral advantage in future had BJP not sacked him.
Some of you as the jokers in BJP Leadeship have no knowledge it seems about the role Patel played in PARTITION. Why BJP has to absolve him and only find useful to bash Nehru.
Did anyone know how Patel convinced Gandhiji to accede to Two Nation Theory in conjunction with Nehru?
LK ADVANI MUST QUIT. WHY IS HE KEEN IN CLINGING TO HIS POST IS A BIG QUESTION. THE BJP LEADERSHIP AFTER THE CHINTAN BAITHAK HAS LEFT THE VOTERS MORE CONFUSED AS THEIR LEADERS.
SUSHMA, JAITLEY, RAJNATH, MODI AND VENKAIAH MUST ALL VACATE THEIR POSTS.
Ravi, The reasons for Patel accepting the two nation theory are clearly provided in the wikipedia article. You can read more about it here in the below article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardar_Vallabhbhai_Patel
However, Nehru had no sense of how to resolve the crisis emerged before the Independence . On the other hand, Patel had showed his Iron will in consolidating India after the partition . See the sentence “Whether you want single partition or multiple partitions under the demands of IML and Jinnah”.
@manoharan
good one
More interviews with Jaswanth Singh will reveal dark and ugly hidden secrets of our political leaders… lol
i fully support jaswants expulsion but do believe that there should have been a fair trial like kasab is getting, even though outcome of it is certain.
a simple reading of events makes it absolutely clear that jaswant had no bonafide intentions in writing a book like this. being a senior leader he was expected to devote full time towards bjp and nation, both of which are in problem. instead he chose to utilize him to research ways to earn money by raising controversies. he is definitely more interested in controversies than facts because the only the former sells. its true that LKA too wrote a book but it had a subtle purpose of promoting his bid for PMship and indirectly BJPs success in LS ,so unlike this book his efforts cannot be written of as completely irrelevant to the context.
at the end however I believe BJP would be a better party without a self -serving leader like him occupying a top position.
instead of first criticizing the content of the book bjp would have fist show caused him to explain:
1. how much time he spent on researching/writing the book.
if he says he spent a small amount of time then there is no question of going into the content as they are just fictitious . if he claims he had spent considerable time on this he should be asked why he didn’t use the time for benefit of bjp and his constituency and must return all the expenses/salary that he took took home as an mp apart from resigning from bjp .
sacking such tall leader like jaswant singh on the pretext of writing a book that is “allegedly” against the party ideology is jst BS. If they really wanted to sack him then they shud have done so when he was shown distributin cash durin the elections– or is it perfectly ok with the party ideology? wtf is the party ideology anyway?– to hang on to whatever power is available by whatever means? I mean what happened to all those tall talks of country first blah blah…. The party leadership has been reduced to a bunch of monkeys scratchin each others back! Whoever told these morons to blame Modi for the humiliating defeat– I wonder wht the tally had been if not for Mr. Modi, he is the only hope for BJP unless the monkey leadership would like to see for themselves where the bottom really is.
Anish,
You make some sound points. The timing of the book however, was not calculated to embarrass the BJP. It was ready for publication even before the election but Rajnath requested Jaswant Singh to postpone the launch to avoid any potential controversy.
It was a bunch of factors that led to Jaswant Singh’s dismissal:
a) Rajnath’s attempt to align himself with what he believes is the RSS worldview.
b) Ideological insecurity
c) An authority-less high command attempting to assert authority.
In the end, the BJP will only prosper if a sensible leader takes the reins who is acceptable to most of India. As far as I can see, the only man for the job is Arun Jaitley.
@ vijay
यदि अरुण जेटली जी पार्टी के नेता या अध्यक्ष बनते हैं तो सभी इसका स्वागत करेंगे ,विशेषकर देश के युवा वर्ग .
@ vijay
अरुण जेटली जी आज के युवा वर्ग के लिए आधुनिक नेता के रूप में सबसे ज्यादा स्वीकार्य नेता हैं .
वशुंधरा राजे के मामले में बीजेपी को जल्दबाजी नहीं दिखानी चाहिए .कम से कम अभी तो बिलकुल ही नहीं . अभी उनको राजस्थान में काम करने दें .वशुंधरा राजे के मामले में कोई भी गैरजरूरी निर्णय लेने से पार्टी का हाल कहीं झारखण्ड और यूं पी जैसा न हो जाये .राजस्थान में कोई भी वशुंधरा जैसी लोकप्रिय नेता नहीं है .
Dear
Manoharan,Vijay,Krishna
Make ur facts clear
Advani took the first step to offer resination after defeat as BJP has no other leader agreed popularly he is been asked to stay and not make mockery of the party in front of congress and the nation.
Regarding Arun Jaitley……..
this fall out day of BJP is the result of jaitley only.
Dont forget his irresponsible acts during elections.
Sushma swaraj has guts But Previously she was side lined by Pramod Mahajan and Now By Jaitley again.
Yeh sab kursi ka khel hai yaro!!
Desh Aur Deshwasi jaye bhad mein………….
BJP needs new platform and face look.
To work not only in few central india states but right from Kashmir to Kanya kumari as majority of voter turns out from these states.
Central india population is just talking parrot.
Work Hard BJP leaders and wake up before u go to zero again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
skumar,indian
22 Aug’09
मैं इस पचड़े मैं नहीं पड़ता की कौन कुर्सी के लिए लड़ रह है और कौन नहीं .मैं व्यक्तित्व और क्षमता देखकर ही अरुण जेटली को अध्यक्ष बनाए जाने के पक्ष में हूँ .
यह आप कैसे कह सकते हैं की आज बीजेपी की जो स्थिति है उसके लिए सिर्फ जेटली ही जिम्मेदार हैं ? रही बात इलेक्शन के दौरान अरुण जेटली और राजनाथ सिंह के बीच विवाद की—तो मैं मीडिया द्वारा तूल दिए गए किसी भी बात पर भरोसा नहीं करता और न ध्यान देता हूँ
.असल बात क्या थी जिसके लिए अरुण जेटली और राजनाथ सिंह जी में विवाद पैदा हुआ था , क्या आप बता सकते हैं ? अगर नहीं तो फिर मीडिया द्वारा तूल दिए गए मसले पर आप क्यों ध्यान दे रहे हैं .
असमंजस में जसवंत सिंह
दुर्भाग्यपूर्ण और मजबूरी की स्थिति में पार्टी से निकाले जाने के बाद जसवंत सिंह को थोडा-थोडा अब शायद धर्म का ज्ञान होने लगा है .लेकिन खुलकर इस बात को स्वीकार नहीं करते की उन्होंने जो कुछ किया गलत किया . इंडिया टीवी के एक कार्यक्रम “”‘आप की अदालत”" में एक सवाल के जवाब में जब उनसे यह पूछा गया की की क्या अब वे अपने राजनीतिक जीवन पर भी कोई किताब लिखेंगे ? और क्या उन सब के बारे में भी लिखेंगे जिनके साथ उन्होंने काम किया ? टीवी कार्यक्रम के संचालक रजत शर्मा जी आगे कहते हैं –इससे तो आप अपने ही सहयोगियों की पोल खोल देंगे– क्या यह उचित है ? क्या आपको उनकी पोल खोलनी चाहिए जिनके साथ आपने काम किया ? जसवंत सिंह जी इस सवाल से दुविधा में पड़ते नज़र आये , उनको कोई जवाब नहीं सूझ रहा था की क्या कहे और क्या नहीं .अंत तक वह खुल कर इस सवाल का कोई निर्णायक उत्तर नहीं दे पाए और असमंजस की उनकी स्थिति बनी रही की ——आखिर धर्म क्या कहता है ?
No body really knows if there is a competition for Party President for BJP which is due for a change in 2010 January. Looks like Jaitley may be appointed as the next BJP president. Also, Rajnath Singh is totally ineffective and for some reasons he hates Jaitley which is not a healthy sign. Jaitley is a talented person and I don’t know why some people on this form don’t like Jaitley. BJP needs talented people to take on congress.
Sushma swaraj may continue as the leader of apposition . Since many people feel that she is talented and had been sidelined by leaders like Pramod Mahajan , an oppurtunity should be given to continue as the deputy leader of apposition.
Rajnath singh instead of aiming for her high posts should simply work as a party member keeping his ego aside. I think it is his mistake of appointing a shady person like mittal that caused rift with Jaitly.
Again, Advaniji should resign voluntarily and give the chance to some body else in the party who is in the age range 50-60. They don’t need to copy congress to appoint some body in the age range 35-50.
@ skg
बीजेपी में दो ही ऐसे चेहरे हैं जो लोगों के बीच लोकप्रिय हैं —पहला अरुण जेटली और दूसरा सुषमा स्वराज .और दोनों को ही काम का अच्छा खासा अनुभव भी है .
@the count-
You are right. The bunch of monkeys felt insecured by presence of a Hanuman and expelled him. But the Big Question remains with the OLD JAMBABAWAN (LKA)….WILL HE QUIT ON HIS OWN OR WOULD REQUIRE US TO KICK HIM OUT? HE IS A LIAR. HE LIED THE INDIAN PEOPLE THAT BEING A DEPUTY PM HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT HIS EXTERNAL AFFAIRS MINISTER’S JOURNEY TO KANDAHAR. IT IS A BIG SHAME THAT HIS BLIND FOLLOWERS ARE LEFT TO DEFEND HIS BIG LIE ON TV CHANNELS. SHAME SHAME SHAME.
LKA should clearly explain to the people of India the whole truth about Kandahar incident. It is shame on him that he is not speaking the truth. How can a person of such stature like him, who is the tallest leader in the apposition party lie to the Indian public. If he failed or compromised on his responsibilities as a home minister or deputy prime minister he should apologise to the people of India. If he had done this,people of India wouldn’t have to hear the bastardised version of the story from Congress and the Gandhi chamchas like Jayanti Natarajan or arrogant Media anchors.
Instead of crying, LKA should prudently think about the future of the party and resign. This kind of hanging like a unwanted person in the party doesn’t fit for a responsible person like him.
Jaitley and Suhma should let LKA go.
I think we’re being facile and unfair if we don’t credit BJP with the ability to set right its course and make the necessary changes. Let’s have the confidence in Advani and other leaders who have served the party for long. I’m sure BJP will emerge fitter, stronger and younger! And what Jaswant Singh did was an act of ideological heresy and he deserved to go in the manner in which we went. And looking at the perverse way in which he’s been giving the TV channels ammunition against the BJP through his ‘revealing’ interviews, I think the act is even more justified in retrospect!
What is the problem with LKA ?. Why can’t he resign voluntarily and give his position to some body in the age group of 50 and 60. He is 82. Our Hindu scriptures say that one should retire at the age of 50 and go to forest for cultivating spirituality to face death. LKA professes himself a Hindu and he says he is proud of being a Hindu. He should simply retire and spend his time in Rishikesh , Kedarnath , Badrinath . Only greedy and lusty people for power will hang onto power at the age of 82.
@ skg
इतना आसान नहीं है अडवानी जी के लिए राजनीति से संन्यास लेना स्वयं उनके लिए भी और दूसरे जो पार्टी के दूसरे कतार के नेता कहे
जाते हैं उनके लिए भी की वो यह कहें की आडवानी जी को राजनीति से संन्यास लेने लेने चाहिए .आप सिर्फ हार जीत को
अडवानी जी के लिए पार्टी से हट जाने का मापदंड मानते हैं .बात इतनी आसन नहीं हैं ,उनपर बहुत सी और भी जिम्मेदारियां हैं जिसके कारण वो सक्रिय राजनीति से फिलहाल संन्यास नहीं ले सकते .
BJP recalls a lazy kid, who never learn a lession at all. This party forget all the reason for the last election. They just follow the steps what they were !!! Alas .. Only God can save this party.. Any young block there in BJP.. Yah there is … Varun… more than enough for totall collapse… good luck
@ skg
अभी यही ८२ वर्षीया बुजुर्ग आडवानी यदि प्रधान मंत्री बन जाते तो यही आपको अच्छे लगने लगते .बात उम्र की नहीं है .बात जिम्मेदारियों की है जिसके कारण फिलहाल वो संन्यास नहीं ले सकते .
@skg I fully agree with u
@Bala……. WHAT ARE YOU ASKING US TO DO? REPOSE CONFIDENCE WITH LK ADVANI? HE IS A BIG LIAR. HE LIED TO THE WHOLE NATION ABOUT NOT KNOWING ABOUT HIS FOREIGN MINISTER’S JOURNEY TO KANDAHAR BEING THE DEPUTY PM AT THAT TIME. HE PUT ALL THE BLAME ON HIS FOREIGN MINISTER. HE STOPPED VAJPAYEE ON REACTING TO GUJRAT RIOTS. THE MORE DAYS HE IS ALLOWED HE WOULD DIG THE GRAVE FOR HIS PARTY.
FINALLY, AFTER THE SHABBY WAY JASWANT SINGH WAS ELIMINATED TO CLEAR THE ROAD FOR LKA BY HIS BANAR-SENA SIGHTING THE PRETEXT OF A BOOK WAS DISGRACEFUL AND LOW IN TASTE. AN ILLITERATE PRESIDENT SHOWING THE AUDACITY TO EXPEL A SENIOR LEADER THAT TOO QUESTIONING A WORK OF INTELLECT WHICH IS BEYOND HIS ACADEMIC ABILITY WAS RIDICULOUS.
NOW HOW CAN ONE EXPECT JASWANT SINGH TO CONINUE TO REMAIN ECONOMICAL WITH THE TRUTH AND COVER A PARTY WHICH THREW HIM OUT ON THE ROADS IN PUBLIC GLARE?
BEING A SOLDIER HE MUST HAVE IDENTIFIED HIS ENEMIES AND AS A ARMYMAN MUST SHOOT THEM DOWN.
THE GAME-SHOW OF BJP MUST END ONCE AND FOR ALL. THIS PARTY HAS LOST ITS RELEVANCE TO REMAIN IN INDIAN POLITICAL SPACE.
ENOUGH OF THIS TAMASHA. WE WERE TAKEN FOR A RIDE BY THIS PARTY FOR SO LONG.
THE PARTY DIED WITH VAJPAYEEJI’S EXIT.
@ manoharan
आडवानी जी को कांधार मामले में जो बात देश के लोगों को बतानी चाहिए थी वो बात न बताकर गलती की ,बस इतना भर ही .बाकी यह कहना की वो झूठें हैं ,गलत है .हम सभी भी यह आशा कर रहे थे की उनको यह बात देश के लोगों को बतानी चाहिए थी .लेकिन बताएं न बताएं इस बात को लेकर शायद वो दुविधा में ज्यादा दिखे .
@ manoharan
भारतीय पत्रकारिता में एक चीज जबरदस्त चलती है और वह है पित पत्रकारिता (yellow journalism ) की .करो तो दोषी न करो तो दोषी .यानि चित्त भी मेरी और पट भी मेरी .कांधार मामले में भी बीजेपी पर जो ऊँगली उठाई जा रही है कुछ इसी तरह की बात है .यदि हवाई जहाज के यात्रियों को मरने के लिए छोड़ दिया जाता तो यही कहा जाता की बीजेपी ने १६६ लोगों को मौत के हवाले कर दिया .लेकिन जब उन यात्रियों को आंतकवादियों को रिहा कर बचा लिया गया तो यह कहा जा रहा है की बीजेपी ने गलती की आंतकवादियों को छोड़कर .असल में आलोचकों का कोई नैतिक आधार नहीं होता आलोचना करने का .उन्हें क्योंकि बीजेपी की आलोचना करनी है तो किये जा रहे हैं किसी भी बहाने .इसे ही तो पित पत्रकारिता कहते हैं खालिस yellow journalism .
BJP Bashing going on in the media (especially NDTV). NDTV india and NDTV 24/7 are leaving no stone unturned in bashing the BJP and the bjp leaders are lost.
The arrogance of Prannoy Roy and NDTV needs to be stopped.
Media bashing of BJP should be stopped by all means.
I feel media on this issue for the first time is playing a much positive role in making a honest effort to craft a future roadmap for BJP which their leaders failed to chalk out at Simla. Their are some positive inputs from the media this time to make BJP a strong party with relevance but unfortunately BJP is in the denial and in no mood to restructure their leadership or reform their core ideology which stands flawed in contemporary Indian political diaspora.
The party has to adopt a fresh modern ideology which should be patented to their own existence relevant to modern India and the burning issues bothering people at large and dump those ideas of Uniform Civil Code, Ayodhya and Article 370 as they in no way concern the common mass of India.
I see no hope with present BJP to win election in next two decades as the have regressed back to primitive issues attaching more than necessary importance to them when they no excite the voters of this era.
Finally, find idols from roots inside the BJP should be identified and not borrow staunch congressmen to worship them and put them high pedestal of their core ideology. That is absurd and unacceptable by any means.
But unfortunately this could never happen till LKA is pampered to continue.
@ manoharan
कांग्रेसियों से और मीडिया वालों से बीजेपी को सीख नहीं लेनी है की भविष्य में उसे क्या करना है और क्या नहीं . कृपया आप अपनी सलाह और सीख अपने पास रखें .
LKA needs to go. I don’t understand why Rajnath, Jaitley and Shushma don’t let him go. When every body wants LKA to go, why can’t he understand the simple expectation of the well wishers of his followers.Following is an article from Tribune India which is expecting LKA to retire for the future of the party.
The three-day chintan baithak of the BJP in Shimla last week created a major dilemma for BJP’s mother body the RSS-the dilemma of owning or disowning the BJP. The baithak was held in the background of persistent pressure from Sangh for retirement of L.K. Advani and accompanied generational change, concern over persistent infighting in the BJP, and its losing touch with what the Sangh leaders call Hindu values.
A section of Sangh leaders see the outcome of the chintan baithak a reassertion of Advani’s leadership in the BJP and, therefore, a snub to all those, including RSS Sarsanghchalak Mohanrao Bhagwat, seeking his early retirement, willful promotion by Advani of a coterie loyal to him in the party and a complete distortion of Hindu values by misinterpreting and misrepresenting Hindutva.
A day before the chintan baithak Bhagwat broke the protocol to speak to a TV News channel and spell out his expectations from this introspection session. The interview was expected to guide the BJP leaders swearing by the Sangh, to move according to the plan hinted by Bhagwat.
But the baithak went contrary to Bhagwat’s expectations. It ended with a reassertion by Sushma Swaraj and Rajnath Singh that Advani will continue to lead the BJP for the full five-year term of the 15th Lok Sabha and perhaps be its prime ministerial candidate also in 2014.
The deliberate and surreptitious leakage of the Bal Apte report, ostensibly to embarrass Rajnath Singh confirmed the worst suspicions of the RSS that infighting in the BJP has reached such monumental proportions that even 25 top leaders (at the end of the day there were only 24, since Jaswant Singh was never allowed into Peterhoff Hotel where they all met) cannot be trusted with keeping a party secret.
The RSS has also not been impressed by Rajnath’s assertion of “cultural nationalism or integral humanism ideology of the BJP” being “non-negotiable,” simply because according to RSS leaders they have been pressing upon the BJP leaders to start practising the simple Hindu way of life before they go out preaching Hindutva to the rest of the world.
The Sangh leaders are also not happy with blaming the action against Jaswant Singh on the Sangh for RSS leaders feel that the timing and manner of the action clearly betrayed a personal agenda of a section of BJP leaders, in effect a diversionary tactic to shift the focus away and obfuscate the primary objective of this meeting.
Shimla’s message is that Advani is not taking the hint and it is not easy to persuade him to hang his gloves. RSS insiders confirm what Bhagwat said that since 2003, that is six years ago when the BJP/NDA were in government, Sangh has been urging Atal/Advani duo to retire and pave way for a younger leadership. Atal went due to failing health. But all the Sangh efforts have failed to move Advani.
In fact Advani’s praise of Jinnah in Karachi in June 2005 came in handy for the Sangh to push him out and replace him with a Sangh loyalist Rajnath.
But Rajnath proved to a big disappointment to the Sangh because instead of succeeding in weeding out the Advani coterie, he acquiesced in and while the Sangh failed to provide an alternate leadership to the BJP in the person of Rajnath, his induction only increased the infighting further.
In the meantime came May-June, 2007 by which time the Sangh leaders were convinced by Advani’s camp followers like S. Gurumurthy that the elections were likely to be held anytime and, therefore, it is necessary for the BJP to project a leader and since the party has no leader of Advani’s caliber, they should agree to projecting him as the BJP and NDA’s prime ministerial candidate.
By December 10, 2007, RSS/BJP were left with no option but to announce Advani as their prime ministerial candidate. But insiders say as late as August 2008, the Sangh was again passing through a phase of rethinking whether they should withdraw Advani’s name and instead project another candidate. Eventually they realised it was too late and relented.
Sangh’s other problem is that Advani has virtually captured the entire party apparatus and almost all the important posts are controlled by his men or their proxies. The Sangh, therefore, wants a complete overhaul, which looks too stupendous.
Sangh sources say it is simultaneously toying with two parallel ideas; either to replace the entire leadership of the BJP numbering about 70 all over the country or even more ambitious withdraw support to the BJP and float a parallel political outfit. But then there skeptics within who find both these alternatives too impractical.
Set back started for BJP when L.K.Adwani said that Jinna was a secular. we must not forget Guru Ram Rai was not given GuruShip in Sikh Panth as he had changed a word in Guru Granth Shaib while he was narroting it in front of Aurenzeb.
second when Uma Bharti was removed from the Party she has always been loyal to the Parties agenda.
He can continue whith the party and give his suggestion and leave the post.
@ skg
आखिर आडवानी जी किसको अपनी कुर्सी सौंपे ? कोई तो ऐसा नेता पार्टी के अन्दर होना चाहिए जिसे सबको मान्य हो . इस तरह का संकट सिर्फ बीजेपी में ही नहीं बल्कि कांग्रेस में भी पैदा होता रहा है .एक वक़्त था जब लोग कहते थे की नेहरु के बाद कौन ? फिर लोग कहने लगे शास्त्री के बाद कौन ? इंदिरा के बाद कौन ?….. आदि आदि .यह कोई नयी बात नहीं है किसी पार्टी में इस तरह का संकट खडा होने की .यह कांग्रेस की तरह वंशवादी पार्टी तो है नहीं की एक के बाद एक लोग पार्टी के नेता परिवारवाद के आधार पर चुन लिए जाते हैं .जब तक आडवानी जी को यह नहीं लगेगा की उनकी जगह कोई योग्य नेता उनकी जगह ले सकता है जिसे सबको मान्य हो उनका नेता के पद से त्याग पत्र देना पार्टी के लिए खतरनाक होगा .सिर्फ मीडिया के दबाव में जल्दबाजी में कोई निर्णय आडवानी जी ले ले यह ठीक नहीं .
@ skg
अभी यह कोई जरुरी भी नहीं की सिर्फ मीडिया के दबाव में आनन फानन में आडवानी जी कोई निर्णय ले ले .सोच समझकर ही कोई निर्णय उनको लेना चाहिए .हम समर्थकों का कोई भी दबाव उनपर नहीं है की वह अभी के अभी नेता पद त्याग दें .यह दबाव सिर्फ मीडिया बना रही है .मीडिया जो बकती है बकने दें .मीडिया का काम ही है बकना .
Having followed the writings in various papers about Jaswant Singh’s expulsion i am unable to understand why did a party which has always stood for hindu way of living has acted in this manner. We have lived with the philosophers like Charwak and have honoured them how come we could not digest a line or so against Sardar Patel. Sardar might have agreed to partition under the influence of Nehru whome Gandhi had declaired his heir. Here was an oppotunity for BJP to debunk Nehru and show to the nation that he was in a hury to establish s dynastic rule under the garb of democracy. He did everything for it after the death of stalwarts like Patel and Azad.
Bravo Jaswant singh you have brought out the facts which otherwise the congrees wanted to push under the carpet. Also Nehru wanted to pay back Birla and others for their contribution to congress which under a unified India and the presence of Jinnah and others might not have been possible.
KRISHNA TARWAY….This person reflects true face of today’s BJP. People like him who are engrossed with such dogmatic and narrow vision that they react so harshly to anybody who want to see a reformed BJP. People like him holding such rigid views that they just want to close all doors and windows and want to live in an isolation of darkness. These kind of people who are so conservative and unwilling to let any air of change enter their cell of seclusion. The people of these kind of views are holding back the BJP from changing and evolving into a modern contemporary political party.
Krishnaji says: “कांग्रेसियों से और मीडिया वालों से बीजेपी को सीख नहीं लेनी है की भविष्य में उसे क्या करना है और क्या नहीं . कृपया आप अपनी सलाह और सीख अपने पास रखें”
Is this the way how one should react to positive suggestions??
Well that is how the present leadership is running the BJP with a closed mindset.
If we are not allowed to express our suggestion which to our view would build the party to grow politically and become more acceptable then it is best I say GOOD BYE to this forum.
If people like KRISNA TARWAY says that BJP has nothing to take from our suggestions and we should shup up and keep our views and ideas with us then…………MR. TARWAY ..WHY RUN THIS FORUM?
If ‘FRIENDS OF BJP’ start fixing people as their ENEMIES who express views for a welcome change they want see in BJP, I feel no inclination to add any more content to this forum henceforth. Isn’t it is a shame that persons who wish BJP to modernize and adopt liberal ideas are branded as congressmen here??
I don’t see any future for a political party with friends who are so extremely orthodox and conservative that they are unwilling to give any space for modern ideas. Such intolerance suffocates me who wanted BJP to change for its good. But me and my ideas I feel are unwelcome.
GOOD BYE FRIENDS AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL.
HOPE BJP RISES FROM THE ASHES AND RUINS. MAY IT FIND ITS GOAL BY FOLLOWING THE SAME OLD ROAD IT
LIKES TO CLING ON TO.
Manoharan,
You are getting too emotional I guess and that is understandable. You perhaps are too sincere in your contributions and views, but sadly you see no takers.
Having watched this forum since the recent election times, I see very little this forum can make to the larger interest of the BJP or to the country. If you notice there is one very vocal section that scratches each others back - praising every little crap that is being said by them, and the same or similar section that mocks or rejects anything mentioned or raised by others.
The forum quite contrary to what it states lacks any listening skills. It is merely a forum to thrust their views, hardly a platform to discuss or raise issues. You are not alone in your frustration.
@ manoharan
The bunch of monkeys felt insecured by
presence of a Hanuman and expelled him. But the Big Question remains with the OLD JAMBABAWAN (LKA)….WILL HE QUIT ON HIS OWN OR WOULD REQUIRE US TO KICK HIM OUT?
SUSHMA, JAITLEY, RAJNATH, MODI AND VENKAIAH MUST ALL VACATE THEIR POSTS.
I feel media on this issue for the first time is playing a much positive role in making a honest effort to craft a future roadmap for BJP which their leaders failed to chalk out at Simla. Their are some positive inputs from the media this time to make BJP a strong party with relevance but unfortunately BJP is in the denial and in no mood to restructure their leadership or reform their core ideology which stands flawed in contemporary Indian political diaspora.
यह जितनी भी बातें आपने अपने पोस्ट में लिखी हैं बीजेपी समर्थक और शुभचिंतक न तो इस तरह की भाषा का प्रयोग करता है अपने नेता के बारे में और न इस तरह का बंटाधार कर देनी वाली सलाह अपनी पार्टी को दे सकता है .समझे मेरे प्यारे मनोहरण .इसलिए जो भी मैंने लिखा वह सब सही लिखा की—–” आप अपनी सलाह अपने पास रखें “.
@manoharan
Come on….please don’t take to your heart what a particular person says and writes. I feel the pain expressed in your post. Perhaps it hurt you because you sincerely wanted some radical change in the party, its thought and leadership.
I do follow the posts in this site minutely and have seen a few guys who love to remain in the stone age and resist any change. It is obvious that they would not like questions raised about their idols who they worship like Gods. It is unrealistic I know, but my friend understand, who is losing out? It is the party, which perhaps you had an emotional attachment to. I understand your anger with the present party leadership and its ideology which has failed all of us in the way they handled the election 2009.
But what can you do if one refuses to look into the mirror?
A few of the friends here are condoning the present party policy and are blindly supporting the denial of the leadership for a serious introspection. These people though a handful of them dont want any change to happen in the party and would stick to their guns even if they see the party in pain and die in front of thier own eyes.
We cherish your inputs but personally I feel this forum has no value at this juncture as the party is in the process of comitting a hara-kiri.
@ Pradeep
भैय्या मेरे आप सब यह क्यों नही समझने की कोशिश करते की आप सब जितनी भी सलाह पार्टी को दे रहे हैं इससे तो यही जान पड़ता है आपकी सलाह immature है .आपकी सलाह अव्यवहारिक (impractical) है , पार्टी को मान्य नहीं हो सकती .यदि पार्टी आपकी सलाहनुसार काम करे तो पार्टी का जल्द ही बंटाधार हो जायेगा .इसीलिए मैंने कहा आप अपनी सलाह अपने पास रखें .कुछ सलाह देना ही हो तो व्यवहारिक (practical) सलाह दें जो पार्टी को मान्य हो सके .
I dont know what’s this obsession people are having with Mr. Advani’s age. How young is Manmohan can someone tell me . Even now when Mr.Advani talks, walks he makes more sense than manmohan, sonia , rahul all put together.There is no other leader in the entire political scenario who comes closer to Mr. Advani’s stature.
He had the decency to resign, its his party which convinced him not to do so please dont forget that. Eventually he will resign and make way for the younger members.
People who are feeling sorry for jaswant should know this was bound to happen, with congress and media calling bjp anti national and what not would have blown this issue out of proportion. And when you are member of the party you do have to stick to the core ideology of the party.
Many factors have led to defeat of bjp one cannot blame any single individual about it. Look at the role the media played. They had a definate purpose , their main agenda was to make the congress win which they achieved it. Educated people dont go out to vote. People who are voting are easily bought, money and muscle power is both with congress, evm’s have been tampered.Election Commissioner is with congress. All these factors cannot be ignored.
Its not the defeat of bjp, its the sad situation in our country. For 50 years congress is ruining the country yet people of India and the media instead of throwing them are electing them again and again .Last 5 years was the worst government . Forget 5 years, look at last 100 days, rice scam, pulses scam, sharmal el shaikh disaster, submitted to usa in climate change, nuclear deal,gorshkov deal, delhi metro disaster, swine flu, issue of indian students in australia, pres abdul kalam frisking, you name it governemnt has failed but what our media doing busy bashing up the BJP .
Media is responsible for the loss of BJP. This is proven beyond doubt. NDTV and Prannoy Roy openly embraces congress and loves Sonia. CNN-IBN is also in love with Congress and they have demonized BJP in every programme by their anchors.
Who is making BJP weaker daily? Is it infighting or no issue to unite on or is it succession war or lack of vision or interference by RSS or immature leaders or lack of democracy inside or lack of leadership.
Jinnah, was a lucky man the formation of Pakistan happened since the british wanted to split this country. He is not worth of discussion and compared to Gandhi/Nehru/Patel or even Vajpayee is a person we need not worry on
Naina, what is the reason for a person to hang onto position at the age of 82. Every body needs to resign. LKA may be a good leader but he was rejected by people of India. LKA needs to understand that. All the reasons you provided look reasonable. However, under the leadership of LKA , the party lost twice. That is enough for any responsible person to resign. Yes, the party will always say him to stay. But LKA should have taken a tough stand and resign. Unless a young leaders is groomed you are putting the party in deep trouble depriving it of its future.
Also, LKA lied to people on the Kandahar incident and also he fraudulantly has claimed that he will bring the swiss money back. All these claims have no solid workable solutions. People rejected him.
A average Indian retires in a job at the age of 58. LKA is way beyond that age. He should resign voluntarily and live his rest of his life peacefully.
@ skg
जिस जिस को हटाना था बीजेपी ने हटाकर अच्छा किया .ये वही लोग थे जिनकी सलाह के कारण बीजेपी की लोक सभा में हार हुई थी .आपका विश्लेषण सही नहीं है की जनता ने आडवानी जी को रिजेक्ट कर दिया .अगर ऐसा होता तो देश भर में बीजेपी की हार हुई होती .क्या ऐसा हुआ ?.नहीं न .हार के दुसरे और महत्वपूर्ण कारण रहे हैं जिन्हें पार्टी आगे चलकर सुधारेगी .
After jaswant, then Kulkarni, now its Shourie… BJP is in Harakiri mode.
Naina jeee… addu resigned after 2009 election loss.. but why did he take his resignation back???.. because his old time foe M M Joshi offered himself for the leader of oppn role.. thats why.. this was predicted by some journalists like vir sanghvi… and thats exactly what happened…
krisha jee.. aap ke kehne ka kya matlab.. ki jab bjp ko zero seats milenge tabhi jaakar aap manenge ki janata ne bjp ko nakara hai… theek hai 50% seats nahi hai.. par 35% bhi agar hote toh maan lete ki kuch kam aaye.. yahaan toh mushkil se 21% seats hi hai… kya bjp ke puri tarah patan hone ki raah dekh rahe ho….kuch toh sharam karo….
@ KIT KAT
भाई मुझे जो कहना था वो सब परिस्थितियों के बारे में मैं बता चुका हूँ .आप कृपया पढ़ लें .अभी महाराष्ट्र और हरियाणा में इलेक्शन होने हैं .उसके बारे में सोचा है आपने .मैं कोई प्रतिक्रिया या राय यूँ ही नहीं देता .मैं मीडिया से प्रभावित होकर भी कोई भी प्रतिक्रिया या राय नहीं देता .पार्टी की वर्तमान हालत को मद्देनज़र रखकर और वर्तमान में होने वाली घटनाओं के आधार पर अपनी राय देता हूँ .
I think whatever is happening in BJP is for the best,the worst phase is over,now with the manthan or churning that is going on in the party all the poison will come out and amrit will remain,so let us wait and watch.At last after a long period of inaction something is happening.Maybe BJP will loose few more election,there will be some defection but what will remain will be core and loyal members who pushed to the corner will come out with a bang.I have a feeling BJP will be a changed party in 2014.
Hi Vijay,
I come from a family of longstanding Jansanghis from Rai Barelli. And it hurts to see a Nationalist Alterative to Congress go down so ingloriously. And Why? Because somebody at the top lacks understanding of the Grassroots.
I can’t understand the inability of the BJP top-brass to recognize the rot and the real reason for the electoral defeat. It was evidently clear in 2004, & in 2009, that BJP/NDA lost out resoundingly due to Electoral absence in Southern States, and due to a steady obliteration in UP.
More pertaining to UP, I fail to understand the lax attitude of the Party in resurrecting its base in its erstwhile stronghold of UP. We all know that the casteist partisanship in UP by Rajnath Singh has eroded the Brahmin, OBC, Khatig base there. I am referring about the unacceptable caste-based alignment between Amar Singh-n-Rajnath Singh. All but to ensure that Kalyan-Singh(OBC) stays out of power and they are able to perpetuate their petty interests.
This has systematically eroded the OBC(57% of the pop) support base of the BJP in UP. Consequently the Party Seat kitty has declined from 61/ 85 in 90’s, to mere 10 / 85 in 2009.
Now I fail to understand One good reason as to why the man responsible for demise of BJP in UP – Rajnath Singh – has been consistently kicked up. Given his Midas touch at destroying the Party Structure and Morale, it is too baffling.
It is Rajnath Singh and his limited IQ that has single-handedly eliminated BJP from UP, Rajasthan and Orrisa. Not satisfied with that, he has ably assisted Congress by successively ousting the mass-base leaders like Uma Bharati & Babulal Marandi. And now he is after Vasundhara. And it was he who eroded the moral authority from Advaniji post the Jinnah-05 fiasco.
I request anybody that can do anything. Please retire this man. Bring-in politics of consensus within the party. And do not commit the mistake of firing Arun Shourie. He is Voltaire of Indian Nationalist Thought. It would be a historical blunder to not heed to his selfless advise.
Anybody who knows Arun Shourie will vouch that he has risked his editorial job in Indian Express(twice) to advance the Ramjanambhomi cause. It is too idiotic to reason that he is revolting because his Rajya Sabha Tenure is ending. Because, if it was the seat that had mattered, he would have sucked-up for it, not criticize for it.
Party will survive through Introspection and not through Self Protection.
Regards,
Amit Verma
पार्टी के माई-बाप और सर्वे सर्वा आडवानी जी हैं अगर वो चाहें तो राजनाथ सिंह जी को अध्यक्ष पद से हटने के लिए कह सकते हैं
.लेकिन यह तो उन्ही पर निर्भर करता है .हम तो सिर्फ अपनी राय रख सकते हैं .जैसा की आपने रखा है .अंतिम निर्णय तो आडवानी जी को ही करना है की राजनाथ सिंह अध्यक्ष पद पर रहें या जाएँ .लेकिन चूँकि दो विधान सभा चुनाव नजदीक है इसलिए शायद वो ऐसा नहीं कर रहे हैं .मेरा ऐसा अनुमान है .
it is so saddening and painful to see our party scumble down.it seems like the same situation what the congress went through in 1999 when sitaram kesari was the then congress president..
YES it is true that our ship is sinking……..so what we are supposed to do is prevent that from happening .but instead now the situation is like the crew fighting on board a sinking ship..
its all RAJNATH SINGH to blame….the day this idiot took over the reigns as our party president we were in the dark…….
ADVANIJI is not to blame much as he has spirit and has worked for the RSS ,Bharatiya jana sangh and then the BJP..
we cannot turn deaf ears to arun shouries and jaswant singhs statements by saying tat it happens when a person is thrown out of the party……
what they say has got points and facts and i wholly do agree ….the bjp is like a UNCONTROLLED KITE flying in the sky….
so all plz do join the campain to throw out HIS HIGHNESS RAJNATH SINGH out………
join the THROW RAJNATH camopain……. contact me at 09747044386……….
I think advani should resighn he is useless for the party now and should take retirement his days at the top are over “AGAR USNE AISA NAHI KIYA TO BUDDA APNE SATH PARTY KO BHI GIRAYAGA ”
ARUN SHOURIE SHOULD BE MADE THE PARTY PRESIDENT AND
YASHWANT SINHA VICE PRESIENT AND A YOUNG LEADER SHOULD BE MADE LEADER OF OPPOSITION
SUSHMA SWARAJ IS TOO WEAK TO BE THE PARTY NATIONAL FACE.
AND ARUN JAITLEY SHOULD RESIGHN OWNING THE RESPONSBILITY OF PARTY LOSS.
BJP SHOULD RESTUCTURE ITSELF AND FIGHT THE CONGRESS HARD IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION.
IF PEOPLE LIKE ARUN SHOURIE WOULD GO IT WOULD MEAN DISASTER FOR THE PARTY
CHINTAN BAITHAK HAS FAILED IT HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING.
PARTY DOESN’T WANT TO CHANGE AND IS PUTTING A PREMIUM ON DEFEAT BY PROMOTING ARUN JAITLEY AND SUSHMA SWARAJ AND SIDELINING INTELLECTUALS LIKE ARUN SHOURIE AND YASHWANT SINHA .
PEOPLE LIKE ARUN JAITLEY, R.RUDY , VENKAIH NAIDU , SUSHMA SWARAJ HAS NO MASS BASE AND ARE JUST LIKE ARCHIE’S GOOD THAT IS USELESS. THEY SHOULD RESIGHN AND HELP IN REBUILDING THE PARTY FROM THE ASHES.
if all you guys are true bjp supporters lets make it a point to throw RAJNATH SINGH out…….call me at 09747044386
ये अरुण शौरी कौन है ? क्या अरुण शौरी नेता है ? फिर ये अध्यक्ष बनने वाला होता कौन है ? पार्टी के लिए अब तक क्या किया है इन्होने ? क्या कोई आन्दोलन चलाया है ? या किसी आन्दोलन में हिस्सा लिया है / क्या देश की जनता इन्हे अपना नेता मानती है ? फिर इस तरह की फिजूल बातें करने से क्या फायदा की इन्हे पार्टी का प्रेसिडेंट बना देना चाहिए .आपकी राय पर यदि पार्टी चली तो पार्टी की लुटिया ही डुबो देगी .
lets make Krishna Tarway jee the next bjp president… join the campaign.. “Krishna Tarway for BJP President”..
saare bolo.. apna neta kaisa hoo.. Krishna Tarway jaisa ho…
@ KIT KAT
हा हा ….!! ह ह हा !….हा हा हा ह ….!!! क्यों भड़क हो रहे हो ? भैय्या मेरे ! मैं तो इस साईट पर सिर्फ व्यवहारिक राय रखता हूँ .
@
krishna tiwari
before questioning the integrity of arun shourie plz
read wikepedia about him .
he is a former indian express editor and a great journalist. he along with ram nath goenka led a campaighn in the 1970s during emergency .
he is honest and very popular among the educated class.
please read one of his books you will get to know the skills of a man.
he along with yashwant sinha is the most intelligent man in the bjp.
he prepared the draft on the black money and varios issue of economic importance.
he is much more skillful tthan the rajnath singhand arun jaitley.
@
krishana tarway
advani(budda) should pass the baton to younger leaders like shivraj singh chauhan raman singh , narendar modi varun gandhiand there are many more good leaders in the party.
@ rajat jain,
varun gandhi is a leader in pilibit but not a national leader. dont insult Mr. Modi by puttin him as an equal to that of varun. It is very difficult for the BJP to win 2014(lets all hope that the party exists till then!!) considering the UPAs’ all out plan to woo the middle class with their new tax code, plans to increase the pay for babus (yet again?) and they surely have sumthin for the illiterate rural masses to fool them , so I think we stand no chance of winning if we dont project Mr. Modi as the PM in waiting.I mean think about it who else do we have? Elections are won by Mass leaders who have cult following, people either love them or hate them.
@ RAJAT JAIN
माना की वह एक पोपुलर और वरिष्ठ पत्रकार हैं .साथ ही साथ एक एक सज्जन व्यक्ति (gentleman) भी हैं .पत्रकार होने के नाते मैं भी उनकी बहुत इज्ज़त करता हूँ . पत्रकारिता जगत में उन्होंने बहुत काम किये हैं . लेकिन क्या बीजेपी को उन्होंने बनाया है ? नहीं न . फिर बीजेपी के शीर्ष नेताओं को उन्हें चुनौती नहीं देनी चाहिए थी .क्या उन्हें नहीं मालूम है की आडवानी जी ने पार्टी के लिए अपने जवानी के दिनों में कितनी मेहनत की है —पार्टी को बनाने में , पार्टी को चलाने में और पार्टी को बढाने में . क्या इतने वरिष्ठ नेता को उन्हें चुनौती देनी चाहिए ? आडवानी जी के योगदान को पार्टी का कोई भी कार्यकर्त्ता और नेता नहीं नकार सकता .इतने वरिष्ठ नेता को चुनौती देने की उन्हें सूझी कैसे ?
@ rajat jain
आडवानी जी को मालूम है की उन्हें कब क्या करना है .
now a days bjp leaders un necessarily creating confusion to party workers.JASWANT SINGHJI`S book
is his own opinion but not in this crucial time.
bjp leaders not serious about price rise of commidities.there are so many problems about to write books on our own bharath(india).
every leaders of bjp party work together to solve problems of poor peoples.there are crores of people hungry in this country bjp leaders must talk about these people in lok sabha and also about poor farmers.
people of india voted not any individual only for bjp party and its able leadership.
@ count…
modhi is losing elections in his own fiefdom.. bjp lost junagadh civic polls recently which was a bjp bastion… also bjp got only 15 out of 26 seats in lok sabha in gujarat… during keshubhai times bjp had 20+… modhi days are gone… even the supreme court sit is closing in on him… we need someone wid a clean and accomodative image.. like vajpayee..
i think arun jaitley, shivraj chauhan or raman singh should be nurtured…
@beejaypee
No Jaitley or Sushma please. They are city-based urban party election managers. They have neither the grass-root experience nor the all India mass representating image. Their style, expression and appearance all match and represent best the urban elitist and upper middle class. They have no grounding in all India rural politics. Both of them came from urban student politics of ABVP.
Having taken lateral entry into the BJP, they are never the best option.
Shivraj Singh Chauhan is much better option.
BJP is scared of Shourie. They lack the guts to expell Shourie as being an eminent journalist and a minister in NDA with impeccable record would spill out all the beans in public much to the embarassment of the party and would expose Advani.
They asked for clarification about what he said so clearly on media.
@
krishan tarway
advani has lost all the karizma once he possesd .
he is old and instead of leaving gracefully he is creating ……..
one man cannot create such a large party many people were involved.
it was the sangh which played major role . advani was only responsible for mainly rajasthan.its the other cadres which played the major role such as shekawat vajpayeji etc he was only one of the members and not the major face at that time.
Amit Verma, I fully endorse your thoughts. Rajnath Singh is a total failure. A party like BJP should have a very competent and intellegent President. Mr. Rajnath Singh is neither intellegent nor competitive. He is selfish and interested in staying in power at any cost. I don’t know how the big leaders in the BJP can’t see this simple truth. Are their brains dead or their intelligence not working ?. Any intelligent man will come to this conclusion after two successive defeats under Rajnath Singh’s presidency . The U.P loss and the national loss should have pushed him to resign from his post unconditionally.
@
count
i mentioned varun gandhi’s name at the end for this reason.
by the way varun gandhi won the philibit election by
3,30,000 more than the advani
@skg
i agree with you rajnath singh is a total failure and he should resighn.
LKA lost his charisma. No man can dream of carrying the charisma for life long. Big stalwarts and good politicians knew this very well. Even Bill clinton can’t claim that he possess all the charisma he had when he was the president first time. I don’t think LKA is solely responsible for the rise of BJP. Hindutva is one of the major reasons for the rise of BJP. LKA is under illusion that it is because of him the party is at top. He should resign without any hesitation and people like Modi, Sushma , Jaitely should let him go instead of begging and pleading him to continue in the party. Looks like these leaders want to damage the party further by keeping him.
@
beejaypee
narendra modi will bounce back like he always do
Guys, we have so many agreements and all of us want to throw Mr.Rajnath and LKA out of the party. Is there any thing we can do collectively to submit our request to the BJP parliamentary committee ?. May be we should create a petition, get a signed support of their removal and send it to the key party leaders like MMJ , Arun Shourie, Yaswant Sinha ?.
Krishnanji , hope will contact you tonight on your number. I am with you in kicking out Rajnath and also make LKA resign voluntarily. People who are hurting BJP should go.
it will be wonderfull for the party if rajnath and advani resighn
We have to have people from all section of community. May be these persons may not have expressed themselves in presence of big leaders.
give them apportunity they will shine like diamond.
Ramu Bhai you are right. One leader in A.P has done wonders for BJP and I don’t see him getting promoted to the party president in A.P. They are still keeping the inept Dattatreya as the party president. The mindset of BJP leaders need to change if they want to rule the country. They should outsmart congress and provide a powerful alternative.
गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों —— जयचंदों की जमात में मुझे भी शामिल करना चाहते थे …? . अंग्रेज के चाटुकारों .पश्चिमी संस्कृति के दलालों , असुरों ,रावण के वंसजों , विभिष्नो .अंग्रेजी संस्कृति की कीचड़ से पैदा हुए देश के कपूतों .
KIT KAT
SKG
RAJAT JAIN
PREET
krishnan
potential friend
manoharan
dhawan
anand
abcd
shoemaker
harish
sagar
suhel
तुम सब लोगों की असलियत मैं बहुत पहले ही जान चुका था .लेकिन मैंने सोच की चलो जब तक ये लोग लिख रहे हैं लिखने दो मेरा क्या ? तुम सब की पोल इलेक्शन के पहले ही खुल चुकी थी और किसने खोली थी तुम्हारी पोल …..? वह इतनी आसानी से मैं नहीं बताने वाला …….किश्तों में मैं बताऊंगा . आगे जो कुछ भी होगा वह मेरी जिमेद्दारी नहीं होगी .
I think that the time has come when BJP should start throwing some of the dead woods.They have made a mess of everything and are still trying to cling to the post they are holding. The president of the party has the guts to ask for the resignation of chief ministers who could not get the seats for BJP but himself is sticking to the post and at no stage has even owned the defeat of the party.He should be shown the door at the earliest before Haryana elections.
Mr Narendra Modi has shown immaturity and haste in banning the book. He should have asked his trusted men to find out what is radically against Sardar Patel and also if there exist any other book which has implicated him as partner to partition.
Nehru was an egoist and was in a hurry to get the seat to govern India which could only happen if Jinnah was removed from the scene and so partition was the answer. He manipulated, perhaps,Patel also. So this book and all other on the topic need to analyzed and people to be told about the role of each and every player in partition. This should also include in depth study of role of Gandhi who had a soft corner for Nehru and had declared him as his heir. His this statement might have emboldened Nehru and made him act in the manner he did. Nehru’s in apt handling of different crises after partition,Kashmir to China war, show him a poor administrator but ambitious and arrogant.
गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों —— जयचंदों की जमात में मुझे भी शामिल करना चाहते थे …? . अंग्रेज के चाटुकारों .पश्चिमी संस्कृति के दलालों , असुरों ,रावण के वंसजों , विभिष्नो .अंग्रेजी संस्कृति की कीचड़ से पैदा हुए देश के कपूतों .
KIT KAT
SKG
RAJAT JAIN
PREET
krishnan
potential friend
manoharan
dhawan
anand
abcd
shoemaker
harish
sagar
suhel
तुम सब लोगों की असलियत मैं बहुत पहले ही जान चुका था .लेकिन मैंने सोच की चलो जब तक ये लोग लिख रहे हैं लिखने दो मेरा क्या ? तुम सब की पोल इलेक्शन के पहले ही खुल चुकी थी और किसने खोली थी तुम्हारी पोल …..? वह इतनी आसानी से मैं नहीं बताने वाला …….किश्तों में मैं बताऊंगा . आगे जो कुछ भी होगा वह मेरी जिमेद्दारी नहीं होगी
मेरी राय रखे जाने पर मेरी जासूसी शुरू हो गयी है ! .क्या यही है बीजेपी .? सब छद्म नामो से अपनी राय रखते हैं
( उल्टा चोर कोतवाल को डांटे ) मैं ही हूँ जो सिर्फ पूरा नाम अपना लिखता हूँ . उल्टा चोर कोतवाल को डांटे वाली कहावत
यहाँ फिट बैठती है .अपनी असली पहचान तो लोगों ने छुपा राखी है और चले हैं मेरी जासूसी करने .फिर तो एक कहावत और
उनपर फिट बैठती है चोर की दाढ़ी में तिनका .
मेरी राय रखे जाने पर मेरी जासूसी शुरू हो गयी है ? .क्या यही है बीजेपी ? सब छद्म नामो से अपनी राय रखते हैं . मैं ही हूँ जो सिर्फ पूरा नाम अपना लिखता हूँ . उल्टा चोर कोतवाल को डांटे वाली कहावत
यहाँ फिट बैठती है .अपनी असली पहचान तो लोगों ने छुपा रखी है और चले हैं मेरी जासूसी करने .फिर तो एक कहावत और तुमलोगों पर फिट बैठती है——– चोर की दाढ़ी में तिनका .
Anti-Sardar Patel book sold from RSS HQ in Gujarat
AHMEDABAD: Narendra Modi displayed great alacrity in banning Jaswant Singh’s Jinnah book in Gujarat. But another such tome, authored by RSS ideologue H V Seshadri, which also slams Sardar Patel for precipitating Partition, has been in circulation for the last 27 years. And here’s the icing on the cake: the book’s sold from the RSS headquarters complex in Gujarat!
There’s little chance that Modi would not have known of the book since Modi was a regular at the place. Modi spent over 13 years as a `pracharak’ ^ from 1967 to 1980 ^ in the same building, though the book was published after that, in 1982. But as a voracious reader, old-timers recall, Modi devoured most Sangh publications.
The book, `The Tragic Story of Partition’ has unflattering references to Nehru and Patel. Seshadri clubs both and holds them responsible for partition, which is what Jaswant Singh has done in his book, `Jinnah: India, Independence, Partition’.
It’s still selling at the Sahitya Sadhana Trust, which is part of the RSS HQ complex. A TOI reporter picked up a copy on Tuesday for Rs 100.
It’s now learnt that Modi has told his officials to closely scrutinise Seshadri’s book to thwart legal challenges. Unconfirmed reports have said Jaswant himself is planning to go to court to oppose the ban.
If he does, Seshadri’s book, which has been quoted by BJP leader Arun Shourie to ridicule the ban, will be the main argument of the petitioner. Seshadri’s book has sold thousands of copies in Gujarat in the last 27 years; it’s a must-have for any RSS worker.
“This book talks about the importance of `Akhand Bharat’. It’s an immensely important thesis for Sangh’s ideology,” says Prof Hemant Shah, who teaches political science at Gujarat University.
Excerpts: “When the new Viceroy Lord Mountbatten announced on 3rd June 1947 the plan of transfer of power, it came as a stunning blow to the people. For that plan, approved by Nehru and Patel, had envisaged cutting up Bharat and creation of Pakistan! … The great and trusted leaders of Congress had turned their back on the sacred oaths they had taken, and the pledges they had administered to the people. What took place on the August 15-15, 1947, was this gross betrayal of the nation’s faith, the betrayal of the dreams of countless fighters and martyrs who had plunged into the fire of freedom struggle with the vision of Akhand Bharat in their hearts.”
On another page, Seshadri writes: “The Working Committee met in a tense atmosphere. Everybody felt depressed at the prospect of Partition. The Viceroy’s proposals were accepted without much discussion. As a matter of fact, Jawaharlal and Vallabhai were already committed to the acceptance of the proposals. There was no critical examination…”
Krishnaji, English is a global language. It doesn’t belong to british any more. I have respect for Hindi and my mother tounge is not Hindi. I am comfortable with english as I am living in America. It doesn’t mean that I lost my identity as a Indian.
We need to get rid of the power hungry mongers like Rajnath Singh ?. This is what we I am trying to do. Also, LKA is old and he should simply yield his position to some body in age group of 50 and 60.
Congress leaders are guilty of partition.
मैंने जो कहा वो बात समझ में नहीं आयी क्या अभी तक ? अभी तो मैंने शुरुवात की है लिखने की अब देखते जाओ मैं क्या क्या लिखता हूँ .मैं जनता हूँ की तुमलोग कौन हो ? हिंदी में मैंने लिखा है .बात समझ में नहीं आयी है क्या तुम लोगों को .? हिंदी भाषा में लिखने की जानकारी खुद ढूढ़ लो .अपने आप को मेरा बाप तुमलोग बता रहे थे . मैं तुम लोगों का चाचा हूँ मेरी जासूसी कर रहे थे .हिंदी भाषा कैसे लिखी जाती है तुमको नहीं मालूम ?
I personally think that although Advani has contributed much to the party, he is getting older and should go in the best interests of the party.
Even in our Indian tradition, when the kings become old they pass the baton to the youngsters, and retreat into the forest for sanyas. I think Advani should exit gracefully. After all, he did manage to have such a long innings as a parlimentarian and great intellectual.
I personally do think that a person like Arun Shourie could bring a sense of honesty, analysis and enquiry into the party. Today also, Jaswant Singh has called the BJP similar to the Ku Klux Klan movement.(http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Jaswant-describes-BJP-as-Indian-version-of-Ku-Klux-Klan/articleshow/4937984.cms)
In other words he is saying that BJP coupled with RSS has become an extremely intolerant organization unable to accept debate, discussion and dialogue.
This is not in true Indian tradition of liberal and tolerant thinking.
Unless BJP/RSS makes fundamental changes in its outlook of the world, it is not going to do India any good.
About the use of Hindi v/s English comments by SKG and Tarway, I think we should be broad-minded enough to know that just the usage of English doesnot make anyone unpatriotic.
This is also some kind of narrow-minded cliche (similar to the BJP views on ‘pseudo-secular Hindu’, narrow definition of ‘Hindutva’ and ‘culture’) etc. I think BJP should start training its cadre to be broadminded on all these issues.
We are living in a globalized world today with interactions with other global cultures. We should give people the freedom of choice in terms of which language or religion they would like to use, depending on their comfort levels.
Nobody is talking about Gopinath Munde!!!! Does friends of BJP even know that there is a tall leader from maharashtra who had made sharad pawar run for his seats in Maharashtra? Why not project such grassroot leaders instead of bite happy jokers like Jaitly and sangh monkeys like Rajnath Singh?
I do hope all of you have read the book.I have and I can tell you that Jaswant has:
1. Not eulogised Jinnah. He has traced sequentially, from archived articles and available materials, how Jinnah has journeyed the political stage of India.Whether he is a hero or a bounder, please make up you minds after you know what is written about him by Jaswant.
2. He has nowhere in the book written anything which even remotely suggests that Patel was specifically responsible for the division of India, in fact what he has said is that Patel, although a prominent leader of the Congress, a party which totally misread the evolving current history of the time, was reduced to a mere spectator in the unfolding drama because egos of Jinnah and Nehru were too huge and Nehru was after all Gandhiji’s blue eyed boy - his anointed successor to lead the Congress campaign, but even Nehru thought Gandhi was out dated in his appreciating political realities. Specifically, please read the four letters exchanged between them - but then you have to first read the book.
The fact is that Jinnah made a monkey of us, as Pakistan continues to do to this day. And the sad part is that we refuse to act any differently than how we reacted over 80 years ago. Look where the leadership is taking our nation - and we believed that BJP would stand up to correct those aberrations in the way we think about nationalism and nationhood!!
It was on these two counts that the BJP leadership counted to expel him from the party. It is a shame that a party of which I am a “Friend” has brought such disrepute to its credibility both in terms of factual inexactitudes and in terms of the courtesies that our culture demanded of our character, and of which the BJP was supposed to have been representative. A party with a difference - YES, but what a lousy difference it has turned out to be. I sincerely hope, for the sake of our nation that it will correct its course.
I am distressed because I feel I have been let down by the way the so called top “leadership” has conducted itself. They have been less than fair and even less dignified in dealing with a loyal man, but more a man with great sense of patriotism, honesty and honour. A man who has stood by his “leaders” when counted upon to do so.
For all of you there, please atleast read the book before passing your judgements on Jaswant Singh. It will help all of us to reconstruct our own thinking so as to help BJP regain its honour.
new succesion plan floated by bjp is a disaster .it will kil the party and will effect the party in a very bad way.
arun jaitley as a party president will be damaging for the party image . he has no mass base and support while sushma swaraj is a useless leader she has lost many elections she changes her seat every time in election she stays in delhi and has no contact with the party workers or ordinary people. she should resighn from the post of leader of opposition and others leaders should be given a chance.
advaniji is asset of bjp party.dont insult him.
in my opinion bjp will bounce back in very short time.leader like jaswantji made big mistake by going against advaniji.all over india advaniji got good number of followers but jaswantji and other leaders got limited number of followers.
advaniji is mass leader.
BJP’s loss in 2009 general elections is a political defeat, as Vijay Vikram aptly put it. Hindutva as an ideology never really payed dividends for BJP wholesomely- it might have helped it in winning state assembly elections but not at the national level, the reasons are very simple. The HIndu religion is dominated by multiple castes- where each group generally vote en masse - in a state or a region. Hence- cultivating grass root leaders and leaders from within those dominant castes in those areas is very important. Some people wrote that - the populace at large rejected BJP since it was a conservative party whose conservative appeal had no relevance in the modern world, my dear friend- modernism and liberalisation has not reached our rural areas and populace who constitute the bulk of our voting electorate. Hence, Advaniji having a IT savvy campaign never really worked since the urban voters are anyway with the BJP( atleast the majority), this was the difference between the congress and the BJP. The congress used Rahul and his young guns effectively , but at the same time - their grass root support was intact atleast in most states- they have 2,3,4,5 levels of leadership.
The only way is to build state level leaders and state level alliances, but the problem is that the regional parties- especially in AP, Orissa are afraid of losing the muslim or the christian vote if they do it. BJP has to reinvent itself internally- who leads is really insignificant as long as they dont build leaders of tomorrow.
@ Shachindra
“”urban voters are anyway with the BJP( atleast the majority)”"
which urban area are u talking about?? here is bjp’s score cards in leading cities
delhi- 0/7
mumbai- 0/6
chennai- 0/4
kolkata- 0/2
Bangalore- 3/4
Pune- 0/1
Hyderabad/ Secunderabad- 0/2
Total of above- 3/26
are these not urban cities?? stop living in la-la land…
@ Pramod Kapur..
Sorry, none of us have read the book. And by “us” i mean even bjp leaders..
Some good events seems to be happening for BJP. The discussion between RSS leader and LKA is a good sign that all is not lost for BJP. The party will soon get a new president after december and will get a new leader of apposition. The only thing they need to be careful is choose a candidate with right attitude and frame of mind and groom him . They shouldn’t despair or get frustrated if the leader they choose makes mistakes as long as he is honest in building the party.
Also, Media needs to be handled carefully. The media has not given up anti-BJP, anti-Hindu attitude.
Well the fallout of this crisis is that non RSS members are going to find it difficult in the BJP which means that more people may leave the BJP as a majority of them are not swayamsevaks.
Well friends is this space meant for expressing the views or calling names to those who write something which is not palatable to some readers. Calling Girgat, Rawan ke vanshaj etc is not at all in good taste.He who so ever has used such words should either apologies or the managers of the site should delete their comments.
Is there no way to remove Jaswant from PAC chief post? How it could be? some times I feel every wrong happening is for BJP? who so ever fights with BJP, is glorified and uplifted by media.
Friends don’t u think this is the right time for BJP to have a tv channel? so that atleast it could be possible to bring a true fact against the biased reporting. otherwise I think now a days this entire media molding every news whether right or wrong against BJP.
Dhananjaya, you are right. Anti-BJP compaigning is going on in the Media to attract the blessings and awards from the Sonia and her sycophant followers.
Cross posting but a citizen wrote a nice article and it looks like he had sincere well wishes for BJP.
ARUN SHOURIE DID MORE DAMAGE TO BJP THAN GOOD - HIS CONTINUANCE IN THE PARTY HARMFUL
More than Jaswant Singh, it was Arun Shourie who should have been booted out of the party long back. I have written on many occasions that it was Shourie’s comment in the midst of the 2009 elections that sent shivers down the spines of both the minorities and the allies as well. It eventually cost BJP dearly.
It may be recalled that it was Arun Shourie during the election campaign suggested that Modi had the prime ministerial stuff and he would replace Advani in 2014 elections. It was unnecessary in the first place, as the Elections 2009 were not yet over. Secondly, who was he to suggest the replacement to a great leader like Advaniji without drawing any authority from the party leadership? He was not even a member of the Executive Committee of the party. This had caused a great deal of embarrassment both to Advani and NDA allies. This also sent a wrong signal to voters in general and Muslims in particular, who were already nervous because of hate speeches of Varun Gandhi. This triggered an enblock exodus of minorities to other parties. The result was disastrous for the party. Arun Shourie’s comment on Modi hastened the minorities alienation from the BJP.
Arun Shourie, a fairly new entrant to the party due to his position as a journalist and an Editor of a weekly, with no mass base worth its name. The party immediately rewarded him with even a ministeship in Atlji’s cabinet besides elevating his position in the party as a senior leader and a member of inner coterie to decide on economic issues. Of late, he became very critical of the party especially that of Advani, Rajnath and Arun Jaitely.
It was Arun Shourie who triggered dissension in the party in the first place. Soon after the elections, he shot a letter to Rajnath Singh to be circulated and considered in the Executive Meeting of the party that was to meet to introspect the party’s defeat. It contained critical remarks and observations against the party leadership especially that of Advani and Arun Jaitely calling for a deep introspection and action against all those responsible for party’s defeat.
Emboldened by Arun Shourie’s diatribe, Yashwant Sinha too joined him in criticising the party for rewarding Arun Jaitely and Advani with the post of Leaders of the Oppsition in Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha respectively. Yashwant Sinha gave an interview openly criticising the party. But to everyone’s surprise, BJP President did not take any action against them so far, though it was quick to pounce on Jaswant Singh for his book.
In his Walk the Talk interview with Shekar Gupta, Arun Shourie decided to go all out and lambasted BJP and Rajnath Singh, not sparing his mentor Advaniji.
After a strong action of expulsion against Jaswant Singh, every one thought that it would act as a deterrant to others. But not with Arun Shourie, who is up in arms against the party, directly challenging them to take action against him.
It was not unexpected that Arun Shourie would indulge in such criticism of the party leadershi. But when he had called the BJP president as “Alice in Blunderland” and a “Humpty Dumpty” it was highly unbecoming of him to say so many things still remaining in the party. If that was not nasty blows, he has asked all the top leadership to resign and allow the RSS to take over the BJP.
In the same interview Arun Shourie said the BJP today was a “Kati patang,” implying that it was rudderless, leaderless and clueless. He was also was highly critical of Rajnath and his style of functioning and also took swipes at top leadership including Advani. Shourie’s interview to NDTV was laced with sarcasm and sounded more like a frustrated man speaking. Sources in BJP say that it was an outburst of a frustrated man whose Rajya Sabha terms comes to an end. Shourie also said that the party leadership is surrounded by a coterie that will never allow free thinking and will only lead the party from one disaster to another. Does this not amounts to indicipline, when a member criticises the very president and other leaders of the party so openly as Arun Shourie did? It is beyond tolerance of any party.
Stunned BJP not knowning how to react from one crisis to another, some senior leaders in BJP called Arun Shourie, a “Letter writing intellectual” for his letter to Rajnath calling for deep introspection and need to pin point people responsible for poll debacle, not being aware of the ground realities. His obvious reference was towards Arun Jaitely and Advani. It is true as Arun Shouri has no mass base supporters. He entered the party as an intellectual and worked his way to the top leadership because of his clout with Vajpaee and Advani. But through his diatribe, he ditched both of them. This was very unfortunate.
Arun Shourie did not stop with this. He wanted BJP headquarters be bombarded and replaced with leaders from state units. He even suggested that RSS takes over BJP as it lacks direction and firm ideology. May be he was aware that his days in the party are numbered following the ouster of Jaswant Singh. He was next in the firing line along with Yashwant Sinha.
As things stands today it is all likely BJP leadership would boot Shourie out for the nasty and barbed criticism against Rajnath. If that happens, the BJP will lose another major voice within the party after Jaswant and Kulkarni. But I feel it would be a good riddance since his continuance with this kind of rebellious mentality would vitiate the atmosphere in the party, which is on course of recovery, like the proverbial one rotten apple would spoil others.
If BJP sack Arun Shourie, no one would shed tears for him in political circles. It was long over due. He did immeasurable damage to the party when the party was fighting for its life during 2009 crucial elections. His projection of Modi as a PM candidate as a replacement of Advani in 2014 elections was one of the causes of party’s defeat. Get rid of him early, is better. Perhaps this would happen much before this article is posted. Jai Hind.
Being out of the game now Mr Jaswant has more time to think and see how the game runs.
Now he has more responsibilities.
He has to observe if the activities are going in favour of BJP & National intrest.
He can easily pick out people who are playing a double cross game.
Jaswant ji we have to pay for our mistake even we feel we have made none but there are many ways to show your loyalty to the Party and the Nation.
Vandey Matram
BJP SHOULD PARTICIPATE ONLY IN ELECTION DEBATE NOT IN ANY CONTROVERSIAL DEBATES .
Throughout the Jinnah/Jaswant controversory I had this nagging query.The BJP leaders,while justifying the expulsion of Jaswant Singh,said that his book contradicts the core ideology and principles of the party.My query was that,if this indeed was the case,then what Arun Shourie has written in his book on Dr.Ambedkar, and especially the views expressed by him right before the run-up to the recent Lok Sabha elections, on Dr.Ambedkar….Does the BJP as a party is in agreement with Mr.Shourie on his views on Dr.Ambedkar, expressed in his book and also in public too????This also has to seen to be seen in the light of the fact about what I hear,that the RSS has added the name of Dr.Ambedkar in its list of national icons remembered in its morning prayers….
For the Bharatiya Jurassic park, abbreviated to BJ Park
-> the PARK that speaks ——–>>> my first comments on the Jaswant-Jinnah romance…
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1. That Jaswant has a keen sense of timing is evident in the fact that he released his book on Jinnah now and not later. As everyone realises, the political downfall of LK Advani started when he commented favorably on Jinnah.
In a way Jinnah helped convert India’s fartiest POLITICAL MOUNTAIN to POLITICAL MOLEHILL. Interestingly in Jaswant’s case it has done the opposite, convert a quiet molehill into a mountain of farts.
The truth is that until now, no average Indian thought of Jaswant as a ball-cooling-chaddi-clad-Hindu-fundamentalist.
The guy has been too sauve to be associated with guys of that ilk. Now everyone will know that he has been a Hindutvite. And also understand that he is no longer one. And why….
2. Unlike many others who advice here that Jaswant should have released his book a little late, say in the twilight of his life, I beg to differ, he could not have chosen a better time.
Had he released the book even a week late, I am sure that he could not have recovered its printing costs, what to say of five years of work. Not even the cows that loiter on Delhi’s Lodhi Road would have been impressed, had they been given a copy of this book if and when released later.
Unlike now, where reliable sources tell me that there is a BIG COMPETITION GOING ON among them, as to who would get the FIRST TORN COPY of Jaswant’s LATEST news maker.
Whichever BULL OR COW wins the COMPETITION gets VIRGIN COWS (or vice versa or according to taste), till the end of its lifespan or at least TILL STOCKS LAST. As usual there is a * star saying CONDITIONS APPLY.
3. If nothing, Jaswant has CHUTZPAH, see how coolly he has dictated to history as to how he would be remembered.
And how he has co-opted the media and his own party for the job. He will now be remembered not for Kandahar, nor for his silence on Godhra and associated Hindutvic antics, but as an apostate who finally saw the light, even if but late.
He has done an Alfred Nebel, invent man-killer dynamite, but be remembered for the Nobel Prize. The BJP’s timely expulsion has only helped his cause, he lived a scoundrel but dies a martyr.
If this was BJP’s media management, I wonder what its mis management can be.
4. And it certainly did not help Rajnath Singh.
It is not very pretty to see one’s own party spokesman tell the world that its current strongman or leader (or whatever) will not get another term.
I cannot think of a more degrading or demeaning episode in one’s political life. Why has the man not committed suicide yet? Or has he?
5. Anyway, what is DONE is DONE. I guess the BJP should forget this episode and go back to its Chintan Baithaks.
Hopefully there are still some guys there who can CHINTAN, baithak or otherwise….and first decide on what it’s political image would be, a BALL COOLING BUGGERS PARADISE or a serious CENTRIST~RIGHT alternative to a resurgent Congress.
Its future and our future lies within those crystal balls.
6. I am glad that the forum is coming round to a view that I have been espousing RIGHT from the beginning of this forum, that Advani has to GO….for the good of the PARTY and the NATION.
After Thoughts:
Jinnah’s skills have been really formidable. When alive, he single handedly managed to partition India, now dead and single handedly he has come close to partition-ing the BJP. Wotta guy?
Come on, who would have thought that the loudly hetero ALL MALE party had Jinnah lovers in its closet? And that they would remain hidden for so long. I am sure there are more….
Jinnah Lovers of the World Unite, you have nothing to lose but your chaddis, at best you will regain your balls, as Jaswant certainly has.
Oh, and I should say that the comments on this particular post seem well thought out, for the most part. congrats guys, we need more posts like this.
And Tar-way the ROAD, I am sure he writes well, if in Hindi, but he should make us understand what he is writing. Or is he mistaking his Hindi-tva for Hindu-tva?
@Promod
makes sense, seems you are the only guy who read the book, the others are only responding to received opinions. good that you could read the book,
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if you have finished, why don’t you pass the copy to the august denizens of Lodhi Road… GO MATA KI…
@ mockingbuddha..
great piece once again… thanks for dedicating it to me.. :).. and yes i have read your piece on addu and his swiss fetish… keep em coming…
its sad, some guy is hacking the site with our usernames and screwing the whole forum.. i have only one thing to say for him….
GET A LIFE SICKO !!!
@Dhananjay,
Ultimately till the time the BJP itself has a narrow vision of who is a ‘true Indian’ and confines its definitions of true Indians to some narrow religious affiliations, till that time, I don’t think their media management skills will help.
For instance, in US there is a party called Ku Klux Klan which believes that whites are superior than all other races. Similarly the BNP party in Britain also wants only white britishers in their party. (Just like Shiv Sena which thrives on the mistaken belief that marathi manoos is treated badly and the BJP which thrives on the myth that the condition of Hindus today is worse than during the Mughals or the Britishers, this party also thrives on the myth that the Asians and blacks are creating the white ‘original’ Britisher to be sidelined). Now the media in both US and UK regularly thrash these parties and write against them.
The same thing is happening to BJP and Shiv Sena especially in the English media, because most of the media people in democratic countries, by nature are liberal, and so anything which smacks of intolerance is attacked by them.
If the BJP truly adopts the vision statement which I had circulated earlier as part of my reply on the topic of Concept note, I think the mainstream media will start respecting the good points of BJP.
Jacob gets it right, today almost everyone is a liberal and the invasiveness of modern technology only makes it more so.
The biggest lesson for the BJP from this election is that unlike earlier, no one today is proud to be a bigot. There were people like that once,back in the eighties when Ram seemed to want his old temple back, for reasons he himself did not understand. The guys who sent those bricks for Ram are now looking for bricks to cover their own heads.
Today’s general trend seems otherwise, no one really wants to be associated with people who have a narrow sense of history and culture.
There are indeed cases where a kind of close mindedness is welcome, but such a case does not exist in India and the call for isolation by the Hindutvites of it’s advertised Indian malcontents is mostly imaginary and serves no real long term purpose.
On the whole, historically and now, no form of bigotry has had any long term future, except perhaps in a static environment.
And be sure that such an environment will never be, given the pace of change of technology and its effects on people. In dynamic environments, embraced-ness has been far more successful, Indian culture and US cultures being prime examples.
>> Quote: Sonia acted tough and asked Moily to tell all the 34 members of the Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy Cabinet to fall in line or face action.
What do BJP critics that believe dictatorship isn’t good for a party have to say about this?
Again, S.Jacob started his evangelism here.
Sick of his criticism. If you want to contribute some thing positive do it here. Destructive criticism is going to kill the spirit of the party. Stop comparing BJP with congress. BJP should try to focus on its own merits and do its best.
SKG, I am not indulging in destructive criticism, but I want that BJP should bring in drastic change and take away the initiative from the Congress and create a country where everyone is treated first and last as INDIAN. 11 Crore Muslims in India cannot be marginilised. They should be brought into mainstream as INDIANS.
Otherwise it will drive them towards more terrorism. Regarding how the madrassahs etc. should be treated I have mentioned in my vision document.
We do not have too much time to do it SKG. The situation is quite alarming. Already the Chinese are slowly trying to gobble up portions of the North East. The congress is following a hush-hush policy of appeasement of the chinese.
The BJP and other organizations must take up this matter urgently and agitate nation-wide. In the last one year, there have been so many incursions into Indian territory by Chinese. In this forum and elsewhere we have to start talking about this threat.
According to me, people like Rajnath Singh should go from BJP. They are ruining BJP.
(Just imagine this, although there the case of Jaswant Singh being involved in circulation of cash during elections - the BJP did not bother to expel him. Similarly Varun Gandhi said objectionable things about some other communities and still he was not expelled. However, Jaswant has been expelled merely for writing a book based on historical research.
Does it mean that Mr. Rajnath and his cronies do not mind corruption or anti-Muslim hysteria, but want to punish party members for intellectual thinking? What sort of message does this sent? Later on, if BJP says that it is not against Muslims, will anyone believe?)
Broad-minded, sensitive, intellectually liberal persons like Vajpayee are required. I think Arun Shourie should be a good choice. Being a journalist I think he should be able to understand the media better also.
I think the root problem for this is that to some extent corruption, chamchagiri and arm-chair politics which were the evils of the congress has entered into BJP also, although at a smaller level.
S.Jacob, I agree with the point that Rajnath singh should go . I believe he will not get another term to continue as president. If he is continued to stay in his post it means BJP didn’t learn lessons from the defeat.
Regarding, anti-Muslim hysteria, no matter what you do, they are not going to vote for BJP as they have an alternative party congress which appeases them by all means to get their votes.
Atleast I can expect christians to vote for BJP , but when it comes to Muslims they have congress and parties like SP, TMC, CPI, CPM which proclaim themselves as secular but heavily appease them.
It is sad that in India , political system has become mess.I don’t see a clean solution for the problem. Muslim community has become a vote bank for almost all political parties in India. They want to exploit that vote bank and it serves the Islamic agenda of converting India to a Islamic state.
I don’t think Jaswant Singh is any intellectual. I believe he is indisciplined and had no interest in continuing in BJP. Wonder if he took any advice from the party before writing the book. Imagine, he is also partially responsible for the defeat of BJP in Rajasthan. His incooperative attitude to work with Raje resulted in disgruntled party workers and not working together collectively and loosing elections.
@skg,
Admit that BJP has merits, but the question is, does it have any merits of its own. If you think over it, you can see that the BJP has nothing to call its own.
On one side, the RSS pulls into its dark world of antiquated ideas and sterile jingoism; on the other side the pleasures of power tempt even Advani and Modi, the so called idealistic warriors to moderate their stands; if they had to gain the success that ABV gained.
Unlike Hitler who had a clear goal, this party that leans to a certain kind of fascism has none. All ideals and ideologies seem subservient to the chase for power.
The current problems in the BJP show that as always the politics wins, it is more tangible than ideology. The problem is that the cadre, at least the hardcore ones, like you perhaps, are not willing to concede that. In a sense this is the party’s true tragedy, its cadre at misstep with its leaders, losing this election pales before that.
The best thing for the party would have been to tell the RSS to **** off and in public, we will solve our own problems.
In one go, they would have cleared out their ideological confusion and strengthened their own backbone. After all you don’t really need to be RSS to be sympathetic to its ideas. This action would have cleared the cancer that was inflicted on the body politic. And got them a good name.
I guess something like that happened which is what forced the frustrated RSS chief to go public, the man was being coy, he wants to order the party, but does not want to be seen as ordering, lest his orders be shot down by a rowdy element within the party.
I guess that the party should take a strong stand against ideologists interfering with its political avatar. This was a very good opportunity to do that.
Two opposing forces are why the party is floundering in the dark.We can clearly see that it needs to get rid of one force to straighten itself up. Your argument is possibly that it needs the ideology, my position is to ditch the ideology and capture the reality.
Take the first path and the party is forever constrained as a future political force, take the latter and you will lose the cadres but win the masses. But then you will need to develop a coherent political agenda, and I don’t see any leaders (in the current BJP) who can do that.
The BJP is at the cross roads, if it still has supporters it is simply because there is no other national alternative. Trust me, let there arise one, and this will be another party confined to the sidelines.
The question is that with your current focus on ideology are you willing to lose the chance to become a greater force than you currently are. In the answer to this lies the future of this nation…
Jinnah Book chapter-1 “Islam and India” a view point
This is the first chapter of the book where the author covers the entry of Islam in today’s Indian sub-continent over the past 10-15 centruries. From the early 20 th century Britishers created the especial representation for muslims which he claims is one of the root for later Muslim community asking for a seperate land. One other point that the author highlights is that after 1857 sepoy mutiny Mughal dynasty declined and with that the status of the muslim community in Indian subcontinent. Hence it was always in the mind of most Muslims to regain the past glory which might be one of the most reason for Muslim league asking for a seperate land. In this chapter author prepares the ground for one important question what made the Muslim league to represent and Muslim community when in 1910-1920 time frame it had only 1200 members.
May be a brainstroming on the above question will probably let us to a bigger picture of how he can re-unify the south asia as it was before 50 years back. Because there are lot of financial benefit for the people of south asia if we re-unify. One more important question that makes us think as part of the chapter is why are mongols and turks only called Muslim-invaders and why not britisher not called Christian invaders. Finding a proper answer to this will solve mor ethan half of present south asia’s problem.
Kudos and congrats to BJP for taking up this very important issue when the Congress is still trying to sweep it under the carpet. During the time of Nehru also, the Congress denied that the Chinese were doing something wrong.
Cutting and pasting below :
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Rajnath-questions-govts-silence-on-Chinese-incursions/articleshow/5006618.cms