Sudheendra Kulkarni
by Vijay Vikram
I can’t say that I ever fully understood Mr Kulkarni. I have always found his columns and other public utterances abstruse and rather dense, thereby finding it difficult to get a handle on his political philosophy. A rare exception to this general rule was Kulkarni’s open letter to L.K. Advani that argued for a recasting of RSS-BJP relations in the aftermath of the original Jinnah controversy. Essentially, Mr Kulkarni wanted to free up the party from micromanagement by Sangh interlopers - an admirable sentiment. His abstruseness apart, Mr Kulkarni emerges as a thinking man who represented a sober nationalism that attracted many to the party in the first place.
Kulkarni is not by any stretch a political figure of comparable national prominence to Jaswant Singh. His departure though is at least as disturbing because it represents the growing flight of intellectual capital away from the party. The cerebral right-wing talent the BJP managed to attract in the NDA years that made it the natural party of governance is being gradually weeded out. Arun Shourie, a modern day polymath is a virtual pariah, Yashwant Sinha has quit all party posts and the Jaswant Singh brouhaha is still playing out. It does seem that the party is turning to a certain atavism after the defeat. Swapan Dasgupta has argued that the once broad church of the Bharatiya Janata Party - accommodating strident Hindu assertion with centre-right nationalism - is turning into a sect with the former emerging as the overriding paradigm. Perhaps then, it is time for the urban Indian with his newfound cosmopolitanism to resurrect that ill-fated nexus of Parsi free thinkers, conventional nationalism and free enterprise.
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The current state of affairs in the party is painful for any BJP supporter, but I believe this is cathartic, and eventually, like a Phoenix, things will change and the party will rise. Having said that, I totally agree with the stand taken by Arun Shourie that the entire current leadership needs to be changed and a “jhatka” surgery needs to be done - warna party halal ho jayegi.
For starters, Rajnath Singh needs to go as he has been a disaster - he is almost “Hamletian” in terms of sensing attack from everywhere and fighting with shadows. It is unfortunate that an essentially good person who was an efficiant number II to Kalyan Singh in the UP govt that BJP ran (I wonder if people still recall his stint as an Education Minister), has become this, andbrought the party to this past.
Despite, the tons of respect that I have for Advaniji, and I think that the country really deserved a PM like him, I think that he has taken this defeat very badly and withdrwan into a shell. He should have followed his instincts and retired from active politics immediately after the Lok Sabha results were announced, and should not have allowed Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitley and Rajnath Singh to convince him to stay on. He will regret this decision, as his legacy will get tarnished. I think it was Gavaskar who had once said that one shoudl retire when people ask “Why” and not “Why not” (remember Kapil Dev). Advaniji, please create an approrpiate platform for your Swan song, and announce your retirement from active politics.
Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley shold take up the responsibility of leading Haryana and Delhi, respectively, to prove their credentials, and if unable, retire to the “elederly world” of the Rajya Sabha, and leave the party forums for younger people.
We need 10 fresh young faces from the states - as Arun Shourie has suggested - who should be asked to lead the party into the future. I can think of the following names - Rajiv Pratap Rudy, Sushil Modi, Jual Oram, Nitin Gadkari, Shahnawaz Hussain, and we just lost a very good candidate in Kiren Rijiju (from Arunachal).
What the party should also do is to reintroduce inner-party democracy that it was once famous for - have an election amongst all BJP members, for the party president - the moral authority that such an elected candidate would carrry would be unbeatable, as opposed to someone nomiated by the Parliamentary board - one fears that you may see more of the same, and either Venkaiah Naidu, Arun Jaitley or Sushma Swaraj might take over from rajnath Singh, and i think all three of them are unsuitable.
Guys, we need to pressurize the parry to get its act together. The party is much more important than their stupid ego battles!
To his fame Mr.Kulkarni was the brain behind the Vajpayee Himayat Yatra(2004) in UP –a bus with the poster of Pervez Mushraff on the outside, we all now know that BJP alienated its core and got a mere 10 seats durin tht election. He also drafted the ill fated jinnah speech. He was also the campaign incharge of Mr. Advani for the last election. He should be credited for bringing out the transformation in Mr.Advani from an Iron man to a somersaulting lying pseudo-secular(how ironical advani coined this term himself!).
Isn’t it a good thing now tht he is gone? Fingers crossed lets all hope he joins the congress party.
Now it is confirmed that he has joined Trinamol of Mamata Banerjee and he was accommodated at a Railway Committee.
It is right time for BJP top brass to pull up the socks and concentrating on building the party. One way it is good. All dead wood will drift away.
We are tired of the same old faces and names.
Change, think out of the box and present new leaders with new faces and names.
Dissolve the parliamentary board immediately and reconstitute it from the scratch.
We are tired with this old wine. It no more intoxicate the people.
गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों —— जयचंदों की जमात में मुझे भी शामिल करना चाहते थे …? . अंग्रेज के चाटुकारों .पश्चिमी संस्कृति के दलालों , असुरों ,रावण के वंसजों , विभिष्नो .अंग्रेजी संस्कृति की कीचड़ से पैदा हुए देश के कपूतों .
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तुम सब लोगों की असलियत मैं बहुत पहले ही जान चुका था .लेकिन मैंने सोच की चलो जब तक ये लोग लिख रहे हैं लिखने दो मेरा क्या ? तुम सब की पोल इलेक्शन के पहले ही खुल चुकी थी और किसने खोली थी तुम्हारी पोल …..? वह इतनी आसानी से मैं नहीं बताने वाला …….किश्तों में मैं बताऊंगा . आगे जो कुछ भी होगा वह मेरी जिमेद्दारी नहीं होगी .
kulkarni is a confirmed traitor. but the fact he managed to be near top bjp leadership for so long calls into question their judgmental ability.and we need not dig any further reason for election loss.
गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों गिरगिटों —— जयचंदों की जमात में मुझे भी शामिल करना चाहते थे …? . अंग्रेज के चाटुकारों .पश्चिमी संस्कृति के दलालों , असुरों ,रावण के वंसजों , विभिष्नो .अंग्रेजी संस्कृति की कीचड़ से पैदा हुए देश के कपूतों .
KIT KAT
SKG
RAJAT JAIN
PREET
krishnan
potential friend
manoharan
dhawan
anand
abcd
shoemaker
harish
sagar
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ramu bahi
तुम सब लोगों की असलियत मैं बहुत पहले ही जान चुका था .लेकिन मैंने सोच की चलो जब तक ये लोग लिख रहे हैं लिखने दो मेरा क्या ? तुम सब की पोल इलेक्शन के पहले ही खुल चुकी थी और किसने खोली थी तुम्हारी पोल …..? वह इतनी आसानी से मैं नहीं बताने वाला …….किश्तों में मैं बताऊंगा . आगे जो कुछ भी होगा वह मेरी जिमेद्दारी नहीं होगी .
मेरे बारे में पार्टी ऑफिस से पता कर लेते तो शायद मेरे बारे में अनाप शनाप लिखने की हिम्मत नहीं तुम सब लोगों की ..तुम सब तो कच्चे खिलाडी निकले …..कहाँ गयी अंग्रेजों की होशियारी .? हवा हो गयी क्या ……..?
बार बार नाम बदलकर लिखने से क्या फायदा ..? तुम लोगों की पोल तो एक विदेशी मीडिया चैनल ने खोल दी थी . किसने खोली थी ? ऑफिस में बैठकर सोचते रहो.
K.Tarwar ji
mana ki aap hindi type karnay va bolnay mae prakand pandit hai par yaha forum angragi mai tha aur puray vishva ka liya jisay bharat ka aur videsh ka viyakti aaram sae pad sakta hai.
jis viyakti ko computer ki jankari hogi usae agraeji jaroor aati hogi.
aap kae vichar bahut acchay hain kripa isay jari rakhayn bhalae hi aap kae nick naam sae.
dhanya-vad.
There seems to be a slight problem with my brief note on Sudheendra Kulkarni. The last sentence was meant to read as:
“Perhaps then, it is time for the urban Indian with his newfound cosmopolitanism to resurrect that ill-fated nexus of Parsi free thinkers, conventional nationalism and free enterprise - The Swatantra Party.”
Of course, the allusion to the erstwhile Swatantra Party is only half-serious. I simply want to remind the BJP that it needs to do a better job of filling the vaccum on the Right.
Hindus divide themselves so easily and consistently, all this offers great opportunities to their enemies. History is proof.
Hindus will never learn, so their future is bleak.
I am a traitor and I am a coward. I am a rat that deserts a sinking ship, and I am also one of the causes of the ship sinking.
I am Sudheendra FOOLkarni.
I am desperate to be in power, so I am joining Mamta BangHerJi.
@ Vijay Vikram,
I think the Swatantra party idea of Parsi free thinkers, nationalists and people who want to build ‘ONE INDIA FOR EVERY INDIAN’ and not the concept of pro-minority (Congresswala ideology) or pro-Hindu (BJP ideology) or pro-caste based (the BSP ideology). All these ideologies are divisive ideologies.
Therefore I am totally supportive of those individuals who are fed up of BJP and Congress for various reasons and want to build a great, modern, liberal and secure India which can take the rightful place as one of the greatest countries of this century.
I have 5 main points for building this India. The main agenda for this liberal yet, strong and global INDIA SHOULD BE :
I. Concentrate on Development for every Indian (Water, Electricity, Internet, Telephone, Roads and some way of minimum livlihood for every Indian irrespective of caste, creed, language or religion). This strong focus on development and infrastructure will automatically remove problems of conversion by giving money etc. Create 100 percent literacy in India.
There is nothing wrong with Hindutva concept as long as this concept simply means the ‘Indianness’ and applies to everyone born in India.
But the wrong thing about BJP is that they want to apply this ‘Hindutva’ concept in a narrow way to mean ‘only Hindu Indians’ and not for all Indians. All places of worship in India should should be considered ‘bhartiya places of worship’ whether the places of worship are mosques, temples or gurudwaras or churches.
II. Internal and External Security for every Indian in every part of India whether he is a Kashmiri Pandit, Christian tribal, or North east villager. This means:
—Security from Muslim terrorists who want to kill, bomb etc. (Muslim fundamentalism/terrorism should be dealt with in 2 ways. (i) Ruthlessly tackling the terrorists who are found guilty. They should be promptly executed if they are found guilty without any doubt. (ii) Muslims should be brought into mainstream. Madrassas which impart education must be forced to play national anthem and their syllabus must be inspected regularly by educational authorities by surprise inspection to see that nothing which is terroristic in nature is taught there. All madrassas should be treated like schools and they must be forced to admit students of all religions. No recognition should be given to any school whether minority or majority which does not admit Indian students irrespective of any religion, caste or language. All muslims and others must also learn about Indian history culture etc. as young children and students, although they may choose whichever religion they prefer (that is their personal choice). This is essential to build in all Indians, a shared sense of heritage and culture.
— Security from Maoists and Naxals
— Security from militant mobs operating in the name of Hindutva (No movement should be allowed to take law into their hands, in the name of culture or anything else. If they want to educate women not to visit pubs, they can write articles in press, magazines or even start their own magazines, but no physical force or taking law into their hands should be allowed. Each human being should have the freedom to make their own cultural and ethical choices as long as he/she is not trampling some other person’s rights.)
—Security of life and property and protection from fraud.
—Security from external aggression whether it is aggression from China, Pakistan or some other. For this purpose we have to strengthen our military and have a strong deterrent against China especially, because it is becoming increasingly clear that China’s intentions towards India are not very good. They want to slowly try to sideline India. Their behaviour during the Nuclear deal time and subtle anti-India stance is quite clear. We should openly face this challenge instead of adopting a hush, hush kind of approach.
III. Protection of freedom of choice, expression, religion, language and diverse opinions. We need to build the India based on the great liberal India which was there in ancient India. The great India where even Maharishi Vatsyana’s Kamasutra was welcomed and tolerated in the great liberal thinking traditions. Not the thought control and intolerance of art and literature which has come up in BJP or Congress era. The tradition of banning books or movies should be done away with. If Muslims have problems with books they can write another book to deal with it. Banning of books or movies for minority or majority should not be allowed. (Of course censorship is necessary, to protect children from inappropriate movies, but assuming that even mature adults need to be protected from some books and movies is not the tradition of free liberal great historical India).
IV. Creating a culture of entrepreneurship. Removal of corruption and unnecessary bureaucracy. People should be encouraged to develop businesses, and create wealth instead of only seeking jobs all the time. They should be creators of wealth and not dependent on jobs.
V. Create a culture of accountability and efficiency in government offices. Improve the speed of execution of Projects. Reduce the number of staff, use IT to create automation and treat each person who approaches a government office for some work as a customer, not as some beggar.
If the BJP itself wants to build this kind of modern, secure India, it has my full support provided it really does an atm-chintan and is willing to adopt these above 5 cardinal principles of
DEVELOPMENT FOR EVERY INDIAN,
SECURITY FOR EVERY INDIAN,
FREEDOMS FOR EVERY INDIAN,
OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY INDIAN,
GOOD GOVERNANCE FOR EVERY INDIAN.
However if BJP wants to continue with its parochial agendas of destroying Indian mosques (for building some other places of worship), demonising and creating hatred for one group of Indians by others, enforcing its own definitions of culture by force or preventing freedom of choice among mature Indian people, I am not supportive of this party, because then it wants to create another fascist, thought control, pseudo-nationalistic entity like the Nazis. Similarly I am not supportive of the Congress because it still has a strong pro-minority tilt which is unnecessary. Morever Congress should implement intra-party democracy which can slowly remove it from the clutches of a single family and make it progressive party.
Hence if there are professionals, intellectuals and others who want to build a strong third party like the earlier Swantantra party which was floated by nationalist Parsis and others with these above mentioned ideals in mind, I am all for it and willing to support such people through my limited efforts.
People find it easy to quit when a party is defeated. If all the BJP supporteres truely help BJP, it will come out of these issues. Congress is doing more harm to the country by importing minorities from Bangladesh and appeasing minorities. Minority appeasement results in the rise of fundamentalism and terrorism.
Kashmir problem is the result of congress party’s minority appeasement policies.
Congress will be a disaster in the long run for the country no matter how good they are in providing governance. Rahul Maino and Sonia are pushing the country towards a dynasty rule which is not good for the country.
Vijay,
I disagree with Swapan’s contention that you reproduced.
“Swapan Dasgupta has argued that the once broad church of the Bharatiya Janata Party - accommodating strident Hindu assertion with centre-right nationalism - is turning into a sect with the former emerging as the overriding paradigm.”
I dont think there has been any argument between the strident right and centre-right at all. In fact no current BJP leader championed a strident right stance in the Lok Sabha elections. Aside from the deplorable Varun episode if you read the BJP election manifesto you got the impression the BJP was turning into a “me too” minority appeasement party like Congress. In fact Arun Shourie one of the recent dissidents called for an RSS take over lock stock and barrel. The reason for the intellectual flight has more to do with the lack of leadership and gross mismanagement of the party rather than any fight between moderate and radical Hindus in BJP.
Media Professional from New York on March 29th, 2009 1:37 pm Has anyone at Friends of BJP conveyed the following to the BJP management?
TO THE BJP’S TOP MANAGEMENT….DEVELOP YOUR OWN MEDIA POWER SOON OR THE BJP HAS NO FUTURE….SERIOUSLY!!!!
I am a sincere sympathizer of the BJP, hence this negative tone in my comments. And I am sorry but there is no other way to digest this bitter pill.
BJP’s media management team should either be fired or revamped immediately. In all these years, the party has yet to start or develop a high-reach and influential pro-BJP television channel or newspaper (except the tiny Daily Pioneer) among other media vehicles, whether it’s in India or outside.
I myself have tried to get in touch with BJP’s media cell a few times on my various trips to India within the past three years, but with no success. The few individuals that I did manage to speak to came across as typical Indian government employees; IGNORANT, UNCONCERNED and UNRESPONSIVE.
The party management obviously doesn’t seem to understand the importance of media, communications and networking for political and national success.
Are the folks running the media cell friends of the BJP? I believe that this is a very serious issue that has cost the BJP many national and state elections so far. It’s image within India and outside has taken a beating time and again inspite of it’s good intentions.
TO THE BJP….Firstly, please develop or redevelop a proper think-tank before it’s too late. And when I say THINK-TANK, I mean a PROPER THINK-TANK, not an apology for a think-tank.
Secondly, please CHANNELIZE all this pro-BJP energy coming in from various quarters systematically and sensibly; else, this ENTIRE “Friends of BJP” exercise will be in vain and become the butt of jokes in the media like “India Shining” did. I personally believe in the sincerity and potential of “Friends of BJP”, and hence would not want this to happen. Also because failure is not an option.
THE BOTTOMLINE SUGGESTION WITH RESPECT TO DEVELOPING CLOUT WITHIN THE MEDIA — “KARO YA MARO”. AND IT’S NOW OR NEVER.
Jai Hind. Jai Bharat.
Hi MP from NY,
I dont think democracies anywhere in the world own TV stations. Cong I does not. Ofcourse most TV and English papers in India are left leaning and support Congress. I think there is a market demand for a TV channel that discusses issues such as minority appeasement, religious convensions and temple control in a balanced way instead of avoiding it in the name of secularism. Rupert Murdoch in US started Fox channel in 1995 in exactly that situation. You are better off in trying to convince a rich person like Murdoch to do the same in India.
@Krishna Tarway
Sirji. Aap sahin hai. You’ve stuck with one line allthrough. It is all confusing. Therefore Chameleon behaviour. Not our character…
mujhe achchi hindi nahi aati. isliye bolna mushkil ho jatha hai.
U should see NDTv these days. They are really nice reporters but just lack conscience.
Also NDTV India - Hindi channel. They are making fun of BJP like anything drawing cartoons and what not. Infact, today they were totally crazy. They said N test by NDA was wrong. Indians should see through this. NDTV are very ANti national. ALl that Jai JAWAN and all is show off.
Need to check whos funding them…
Calling Advani a “LIAR” at this is stage is very sad. He is himself to blame… Greedy man.
BJP should be Soft outside and hard inside…Coz Majority INIDIANS by their very nature are Hypocrites - They will only appreciate Hypocracy.
ANy way lets see what RSS has to say on Friday. I’m looking forward.
@S.Jacob
Please do not post if your critcism of BJP is not constructive. This is still frnds of BJP
@ Anand
जो भी समस्या हो वहां या यहाँ , मिल बैठकर प्रेम से सुलझा लेना चाहिए .यह सबके हित में होगा .वर्ना विरोधियों को इससे लाभ हो जायेगा .
friends of bjp से अपील
यदि इस साईट को स्वस्थ बनाना है तो friends of bjp के लोगों को चाहिए की इसको बी बी सी हिंदी . कॉम की तर्ज़ पर बनाये .जैसा की उसमे दुनिया भर के सभी लोग अपनी निष्पक्ष राय किसी भी लेख पर रखते हैं .जो बी बी सी द्वारा पोस्ट किया जाता है .यह साईट अस्वस्थ ही नहीं बल्कि षडयंत्र का शिकार भी है .कोई कुछ भी पोस्ट कर रहा है जो विषय या लेख से सम्बन्धित नहीं है .यह अस्वस्थ तरीका है .
Why no one in the BJP or UPA never speak about Ambedhkar’s role and his views during partition? Do they deliberately ignore him about the truths he spoke on transfer of population ? Going by the letters to the Editor published in The Hindu , it looks he had the correct idea of transfer of population before partition which no one cared. It seems that the BJP leaders including Vajpayee are playing second fiddle to the Congress.
It looks that some of the BJP leaders have started Modi for the loss of the party and say Modi did not command influence in other states. If so, they could have asked Cho.Ramaswamy of Thuglak to canvass for BJP in other states in addition to Vaijo or DrRamadoss. Jaya and MK have been defeated in so many elections but the party never dumped them and yet they regained power through modecratic means. Similarly, if BJP leaders including Vajpayee, Jaswant, Shourie think that the party could be rebuilt by kicking out Modi , Advani, Jaitley and Sushma , the party is doomed for burial. Congress and BJP in Gujarath know the sensitiveness of banning book of Jaswant criticising Patel. Jaswant has moved SC for lifting theban. If so, BJP should fight for removal of the ban on thebook of Mathai , former PA tio Jawharlal Nehru which would expose whochanged their identify of religion by changing their names and role of father of the nation and and other national leaders so that the dynastic rule o Nehru family could be continued in this country for ever.Those who pity alinenation of Muslims keep a deafening silence of alination of Kashmiri pandits. It looks that Vajpayee too approves the suffering of kashmiri pandits and also the role of Orissa Government in not arresting the culprits who instigated, financed and executed the killing of the swamiji in Orissa - be it naxalites or others with support abroad.Is this the way to protect Hindus?
ये लो आ गया एक नमूना मैंने जो कहा था. नमूना NO. 1
friends of bjp को चाहिए की वह एक साथ एक नहीं तो चार - चार लेख एक साथ पोस्ट करे जिसपर लोग अपनी प्रतिक्रिया व्यक्त कर सके .जरुरी नहीं की सिर्फ एक लेख ही पोस्ट किया जाये .यह friends of bjp के अधिकार क्षेत्र में होना चाहिए न की कोई भी स्वतंत्र रूप से पोस्ट कर दे .
छद्म नामो से की गयी टिपण्णी से षड्यंत्र और डर की बू आती है .डरते क्यों हैं ? मैं तो नहीं डरता .जो भी कोई अपनी प्रतिक्रिया व्यक्त करना चाहे पुरे नाम के साथ करे न की छद्म नाम से .इसका मतलब यह हुआ की आम लोग अपनी प्रतिक्रिया व्यक्त नहीं कर रहे हैं बल्कि ऐसे लोग अपनी प्रतिक्रिया व्यक्त कर रहे हैं जो डरते हैं की उनकी पोल न खुल जाये .यह भी एक अस्वस्थ पश्चिमी संस्कृति की परंपरा है .
Narendra modi is the only solution for bjp problems.
Sudheendra Kulkarni- for all his claim to fame is a confused and self styled ideologue of the BJP,who foolishly advised Advani to eugolise Jinnah.
The english print media- Times Now and NDTV love to have him on their channel- more than the spokesperson ravi shankar prasad, because he speaks what they want to hear- what no BJP leader talks about- crap of the first order.
sho you ignorant moron, rupert murdoch’s fox network is well-known as the republican party’s media outlet, don’t you know that.
krishna tarway your hindi is all wrong. you are a disgrace. LEARN HINDI BEFORE YOU WRITE IT.
@ zho
क्या करूँ भाई साहब , जो कुछ भी थोडी बहुत टूटी-फूटी हिंदी आती है उसी से काम चला लेता हूँ .छुपे रुस्तमों ! ! !
vijay is right, kulkarni was a confused guy, as many posts on this blog will attest to. i did comment earlier on some of his crap. However kulkarni’s present problem is not specific to him, it is common to all those who are the friends of BJP.
On one hand they are attracted to the high ideals of nationalism and patriotism, but they have to put up with an irrational group of workers and petty leaders that are ill educated and tend to prefer brawn over brain. The intellectual hindutvite is therefore in a permanent dilemma, his right brain should not know what the left brain is thinking.
On one hand there are the hoary ideals of nationalism, patriotism and all that, on the other there is the jingoism that seems necessary to maintain this facade.
Therefore like in that saying about sausages, he does not prefer to see that this mirage of super patriotism is built on pure jingoism and fascism. In this context, I am sure that many people on this site will recognize sudheendra’s dilemma.
It is sad that many of the founders of the Friends of BJP have remained silent post the recent and public dirty linen washing. Which looks dishonest, to say the least.
Where are they who said Advani had the caliber to lead the nation, when it is proved that he cannot lead his own kitchen cabinet. And you wanted to trust the nation to this laughing joke????
Let the people who praised him, seeing qualities in him that he himself was surprised to hear of, come out and speak the truth. How can you trust a leader who edged the people to demolish the Masjid and later cry that it was. the biggest fraud perpetrated on this nation has been advani’s supposed strength of what, character. funny guy. and see where he has led the party. Talent, they say will out, here is proof that incompetence also does.
Open your eyes guys, no one in the BJP is fighting for ideals, they are all fighting to keep their place. Vajpayee must be laughing that he was able to get out this mess in good time. Perhaps he knew what his assistant was capable of and would be up to.
To tell the truth if the BJP has had a minor innings in government, it was due to Vajpayee reining in the quacks and nuts of Hindutva. This election must have surely taught them that.
The party and its people could do with some foresight and vision. Forget the ideal and the jingoism, stick to governance. As of now the situation is like this…
One confused leader, one confused party, one only wishes something good comes out of this mess.the whole of India waits.
PS: Oh, and thanks, people like Jacob and anish have offered good suggestions, what is wrong with the guy from New York that the BJP is not listening to him. In my opinion they should have, much before this election.
mad man from new york,
way dont you develop a channel and dedicate it to the BJP. we have heard your cries for so long, do something…
oh, and there is someone who says that Kulkarni was a trojan, a computer virus. mmm, so much for strategists.
and vijay’s basic contention is right, there is space for a right of centre party, any takers…
We may not have one voice, but we have a common dream - of an India with more economic freedom, of an India with more personal freedom, of an India where education matters, of an India where good governance is the norm rather than the exception. This time, our continued silence will not help us. We need to come together and make a choice that takes us forward and makes our dreams come true.
@ mockingbuddha
wonderful piece.. ur write ups are always a treat to read…. please repost this in all forums.. let these naive creatures understand that addu and his hindutva philosphy was nothing but a marketing gimmick… and like all gimmicks, its past its expiry… simply having hatred towards congress or gandhi family or towards minorities is not a reason to support a stupid party like bjp.. there are no leaders or real intellectuals today in bjp.. only power hungry politicians…
Dear dino,
thanks. did not know that a park could speak.
my point is also that a lot of people congregate here. BJP or not, they are all thinking about the nation first and foremost, look at the way an otherwise sane guy like rajesh jain has got sucked into this mess. and now he backtracks much like the others do.
my point is that nationalism should not come with hidden costs, and that all round development is still possible without naming an enemy or demeaning somebody.
as to my opinions on advani they have never changed since i first encountered him, he is a sham of the first order. and a power hungry politician with grandiose desires and little by way of talent. his ram janmabhoomi is a great success because he has ensured that as long as India remains a united nation, there will be terrorist attacks, and helpfully around Dec 6th. Can you think of a greater service to this nation?
@ mocking buddha
if buddha can mock, a park can speak… hehe..
i agree with most of what u said.. except that people dont always support bjp with nationalism in mind.. if they were true nationals they wud not blindly support any party.. or bend backwards to justify stupid decisions of their beloved party.. as i said earlier, what brings some of them together is hatred… either towards congress or towards gandhi family or towards minorities and backward classes… and bjp has been smart enough to give them enough fodder for mobilisation… a nationalistic party- my foot
@the park that speaks…
What you said is true, historically and even now, much of non-congress-ism is actually an aggregation of malcontents rather than any specific ideological agenda. It is true of India that we neither invent useful things nor ideologies, we borrow them and ingest them whole.
What I fear is that when economic and social pressures help kill the old discriminations that India was famous for, here arises another discrimination to replace the ones that are disappearing. In a way I am telling the guys, dont be idiots all over again. You will not only create more idiots on your side, but on the opposing sides too.
my other point was, and I guess the author’s point was that there is a political vacuum that is rightist, and that someone will fill it, if not the BJP.
By diverting its forces to Hindu reactionism, the BJP and its supporters are losing the chance of becoming what you can call a nationalist party and being sidelined as the Communists presently are, at the national level.
As Vijay says, some Swatantra party or XYZ party is just waiting to take over or it will.
mocking buddha is right and i am wrong
krishna tarway is right and i am wrong
Oh, there are people in disguise here masquerading as me. Good, but he should have got the blog name also in, just to add to the authenticity. Notice that my name is always underlined and in red, because I got a blog.
Sorry, i do not read Tar-way. Oh the creatures that are here, would make a Phantom comic proud. so after a “park” that speaks we have a “road” that double speaks.
I cannot read the ROAD since he writes in Hindi and I remember someone advising him to get his Hindi right. So I skip him, why should I learn my Hindi wrong?
But when he or someone masq-ing as him double speaks, then I am bound to react, folks the last two comments werent mine. Honest, not that it matters.
@ mockingbuddha
why have u stopped writing in your blogs… i have read almost all of your articles… really enjoyed them… st advani of asinine is my personal favorite.. pls write something about the current jassu-jinnah issue… would be fun to read…
bharatiya jurassic park i dont give a damn about your cheap chamchagiri, dont try these stunts on me, i am not a fudgepacker
mockingbuddha i was trying to be nice to you but i realize you’re a self-centred self-absorbed pr1ck
the two comments above are from anonymous sources.. last one certainly not mine..
i am sick and tired of being misquoted. i admit i am a congress ka chamcha and here to lower the morale of bjp friends.
again, someone is playing dirty tricks here.. the above quote not mine..
BJP SHOULD PARTICIPATE ONLY IN ELECTION DEBATE NOT IN ANY CONTROVERSIAL DEBATES .
A very valid point raised by Subraminium about Mathai’s book “Reminiscences of the Nehru age”. I am a supporter of BJP but expect the below things from my opinion.Why BJP is not fighting to lift ban on this book? Justice Mukherjee Commission has completed the inquiry about in 2006 about what happened to Netaji after 18th Aug 1945 which has been submitted to Parliament in 2006. Why BJP is not able to prove that Jana Sangh founder leader Dr. Shyama Prasad Mukherjee was poisoned and murdered by Nehru? A single post mortem was not conducted by Govt. of India. Are they fighting for it? BJP is simply not fighting to establish the truth. History about Netaji, Bhagat Singh, Dr. Shyama Prasad Mukherjee has been tampered, but BJP is not fighting for it.
They are not putting up a Sanskrit school or fighting for Go raksha.RSS or VHP should put up more schools for orphan or Below Poverty level child.Should focus only on Hindu nationalism.Without understanding of Hindu we can’t define India.
Sri Aurobindo had given a historical speech on 30th may 1909 in Uttarpara,WB after coming out of Alipore Jail . It was fully on Hindu Nationalism, but Nehru failed to understand Him and Hindutva ideology,Nehru termed Sri Aurobindo as Non Secular and around 1962 he accepted he was mistaken about Sri Aurobindo. Many of our people don’t know Vande mataram properly with full wordings. We are on the verge of decline and peril.
Hindu is a dharma which preaches co-existence of every living being whether it is Hindu or non-Hindu.It’s outlook is itself the root of Secular idea. But BJP failed to convince others about Hindutva which was all along Inclusive. Here is link about Sri Aurobindo’s speech http://intyoga.online.fr/uttaspch.htm
someone is playing dirty tricks here. i love congress and hate bjp. basically i hate hindus
i am a pakistani
i want to become hindu, can someone help me
i realize that i love hinduism and want to become one
the above quote is not mine, i love bjp and hindus too much
Can the form moderator delete the comments of bharitya jurassic park (BJP)?. If you are a pakistani, you can express your hatred for India and Hindus on your pakistani forums.
The moderator should filter comments by BJP ( Bharatiya jurassic park).
i love hindus
someone misquoted, i love all hindus and everyone else too, and i am indian
I died before converting my entire state to the Lord’s domain, I will surely go to hell now.
Sudheendu plans to meet me in hell.
well, time for us to authenticate and moderate the messages being posted on this site. The mentality of some of the Post(ers) is unfortunately unprofessional
I am proud to be Hindu, and hence support the RSS, BJP etc even though I may disagree with them on some issues.
People like Jurassic Park are the real anti-Hindus and are sent by the Congress to write against us. It’s obvious that some genuine Hindu supporters have used the same id recently to pay that person back in the same coin.
Sudheendu Kulkarni, Jaswant Singh and company have also proven themselves to be traitors and anti-Hindus with their attention-seeking antics.
But Arun Shourie is a sensible guy.
Proud to be Hindu, there will be some disagreements between the different leaders in BJP. However, that shouldn’t stop them supporting each other and helping each other.
Arun Shourie is a good editor however, the timing of his announcement of Modi for PM shows his total disrespect to another candidate which the party has projected for PM post.
People are watching these things and Media totally exploited the situation and was saying that BJP is projecting two different candidates for the PM post at the same time. These things should be avoided to stop getting rediculed by press and people.
dear guys,
the real mockingbuddha speaks. cool it down guys,
no name calling required, let the BJ Park speak,
and nothing wrong if it is adulatory of certain sentiments. this forum will become a little boring if all people are of the same view. it is to the credit of FOBJP that they are willing to let open criticism flourish.
@ jurassic park, bharatiya or otherwise,
thanks for the positive comments. Do I glow ???
sorry, I haven’t updated the blog, did not know it had readers in the first place, now i will, and I will tell this forum when i do. Oh, glad that you read the blog, what did you think of my piece on
“Advani and the case of the Missing Millions???? or the Strange Case of the Swiss Accounts… ”
Many guys on this blog did imagine that LKA on winning the elections would like Hanuman fly to Switzerland, and bring back the mountain of dollars or whatever currency is hidden there. And then sit and cry, as is his usual habit.
But then he faces two major hurdles. One, he does not know where Switzerland is, he thinks it is Michael Jackson’s place somewhere in Mumbai, and second thing, he thinks a dollar is something that hangs from Hema Bhabhi’s neck or wherever.
For the others who did not read my blog, please do, other than the fun, in hindsight, many of the things i said there will seem right to you now. so please go read it.
sorry if some of my write up does hurt, hey, I gotta name to keep, right, not for nothing am i called mockingbuddha. so if i hurt some, sorry.
@ Proud to be Hindu,
It is not enough to be proud of being a Hindu, it is necessary to understand what it is, and when you really do, you will find that the whole BJP/RSS/Hindutva plank is a sham. And you will be “PROUDER” to be a Hindu again. You are right, being a Hindu is something to be proud of, of being a Hindutvite, well the jury is out on the matter.
@ skg,
Arun Shourie was once a good guy, as to now, well…isn’t he playing to the gallery???
GUYS, one final appeal, let us keep the spirit of open discussion open, and isn’t it nice to have some jesters and mockers. even kings had one, it is good if the principal eternal opposition party has one.
any comments
narendra modi is a karmayogi
arun shourie is a good man
varun gandhi has guts
maneka gandhi has guts too
yedurappa is intelligent
raman singh is cool
navjot singh is cool too
jaitley seems nice but not impressive
sushma swaraj is a bahenji who should stay at home
advani is a buddah hungry for power
jaswant singh is a desperate buddah
sudheedra kulkarni is scum buddah
rajnath singh is a pathetic buddah
vijaya raje is a foolish buddih
bal thackeray is a foolish buddah
vajpayee was a foolish buddah too
.
narendra modi is a karmayogi
arun shourie is a good man
varun gandhi has guts
maneka gandhi has guts too
yedurappa is intelligent
raman singh is cool
navjot singh is cool too
jaitley seems nice but not impressive
sushma swaraj is a bahenji who should stay at home
advani is a buddah hungry for power
jaswant singh is a desperate buddah
sudheedra kulkarni is scum buddah
rajnath singh is a pathetic buddah
vijaya raje is a foolish buddih
bal thackeray is a foolish buddah
vajpayee was a foolish buddah too
so what if i am a congress ka chamcha. is it that bad? at least i don’t mind following an italian dictator and am honest about it. i also believe in dynastic rule.
i think the bjp should disband because i do not like it. i just have too many personal issues with bjp. i do not have clear reasons for it, it’s just that i cannot stand them.
i won’t deny that i am ashamed of being indian and would have loved to be something else, at least i am honest to admit my inner demons.
i have always had an inferiority complex due to my upbringing and can never get over it. somewhere deep down, i guess my antipathy for bjp is a result of that though i simply have no logic to explain this connection.
i have no friends, women never liked me, even my family members were compelled to disown me.
i come online to vent my frustations and love to speak ill about stuff that is positive for others. basically, i am unhappy and feel good about sharing this pathetic truth about me anonymously on this forum that i dislike so much.
i hope you guys can forgive me for my sins.
ALARMING NEWS ON THE ISSUE OF EXTERNAL SECURITY TODAY
Let the BJP and others make nation-wide agitations regarding this matter. In matters of China, we seem to be following hush-hush policy and scared of annoying the Chinese. This is going to be disastrous. There should be open debate within our country on whether we are strong enough to fight China.
Cutting and pasting the news on China below:
(http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/After-LAC-incursions-China-now-violates-Intl-Border-in-Ladakh/articleshow/4978371.cms
The Chinese troops entered nearly 1.5 kilometres into the Indian territory near Mount Gya, recognised as International border by India and China, and painted the boulders and rocks with red spray paint, official sources said.
The incursions were reported from the area, generally referred in the Chumar sector in east of Leh, and painted “China” in Cantonese with Red spray paint all over the boulders and rocks, they said.
The 22,420 ft Mount Gya, also known as “fair princess of snow” by Army is located at the tri-junction of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir, Spiti in Himachal Pradesh, and Tibet. Its boundary was marked during the British era and regarded as International border by the two countries.
The border patrol discovered the red paint markings on various rocks and boulders along the Zulung La (pass) on July 31 and the Chinese had entered into the area and written “China” and “China” all over the place, the sources said.
When asked to comment on the issue, an Army spokesperson declined to answer any queries regarding this saying it was an operational matter.)
hi guys,
Again the masquerade and unnecessary name calling. Is it not immensely tiring?
If this is a forum for discussion, I guess that all shades of opinion need to be considered on merit. Many people do write well considered opinions and it is a pleasure to read them.
I do mock, and some of my ideas are fixed on to a liberal pantheon, but you are welcome to mock me back, but do it well and do it in style.
Done well, that will be a pleasure to read. Not only for me, but for the others too. The Chinese say that when you show anger during an argument, it means that you have effectively lost it. In essence, flamers, please use your Big B rather than your fists on the keyboard. I dont think anyone is amused by your antics here.
It is to the credit of the BJP and its Friends here that they allow opinions other than their own to be voiced. No party is static and many a party has improved when it has co-opted the current trends into itself, look how the congress veered right during Rao’s rule and survived, while the left has been left behind.
The PARK is right at least w.r.t the name, if the BJP continues in this vein it will become the Bharatiya Jurassic Park, as he says….Parties should not only keep their ears close to the ground but align themselves with current trends. It is in such times that external perspectives like the opinions offered here do help.
What some of the critics of the BJP are saying here is simple,
1. Grow UP, the hey days of Hindutva inspired support by the Hindus are over. These days the issue is governance, as the BJP itself realises.
2. There is a vacuum in the centre and you stand the best chance of filling it. Fill it or get out.
3. Speak in one tongue, let not Modi say one thing and Varun another. Rein the colts in before they run away with the party.
3. Create a think tank, like Rajesh says, and push the party, both on the inside and the press, that it is no longer an obscurantist party but one in tune with the times. Let those who wail about the good times of Ram Rajya wail, but don’t let the sounds come out. It is self defeating.
4. The last election was lost not because of quality or quantity of BJP’s work, but because of image, Hindu pride is long gone out of fashion, Indian pride is in, and remember that the BJP was the first to reckon a sense of Indian pride and encourage it. Continue in that vein, make India proud and even the naysayers, whichever faith they be will join in.
5. Verbal diarrhea on Nationalism and Patriotism is passe’ and certainly not enough.
The result of the election results post the Bombay attack shows that the understanding of people have changed, the understanding is no longer black and white, it is more nuanced.
They understand that irrespective of the party in power, there are only so many ways to counter a terror attack. And unlike Advani used to comically do in his hey day, the problem cannot be resolved with verbal diarrhea.You cannot always take the train to Pakistan.
National pride is something that people naturally associate with the BJP. Even I became an admirer of the last BJP government with its clear headed moves on the Indian economy and its infra structure. However I don’t like what I call the dogs of Hindutva, who bark simply because they are well fed and idle.
They spoiled the image of the last Vajpayee government and also contributed to its loss in the last elections. I see the BJP continuing in that vein as suicidal both for the party and the nation. As you can see, they form my primary targets for mockery.
6. Though the international mood is shifting left, many people in India, particularly the intellectuals and the intelligentsia are natural right wingers. See how eager they were align with the BJP in this elections. They too hate the barking dogs, but like the governance and the dynamic ideas that BJP leaders have. Invite more of them in, use them well, project a modern face and change your image to pan national from obscurantist.
5. It is OK that if you have to lose some cadre to win the nation, the cadre are followers and not leaders, if the leaders take the right steps the cadres will automatically follow. This has been the experience of all parties across the world. In short the BJP needs more dynamic and cadre/camera friendly leaders.
I wish, LK Advani who is reputed to be a great reader does read some of the opinions here and guides this dying party back to life.
For those who mock me, do fight with me, no prob, but on ideas and ideals, that is fine. If anybody has issues worth discussing you can always write to my GMAIL id.
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Post script:
Well, I could not avoid taking a crack at this…. Sorry.
See how Chidambaram has come through as more active and tougher than Advani or Modi or any of the Hindutva lot, who wring their hands when a real problem erupts, Babri falls, Advani cries and wrings his hands and sobs on Sushmaji’s blouse, the hijacked plane sits in Amritsar and Advani becomes Alice in Wonderland*,Gujarat erupts, Vajpayee dithers, and Jaswant is forced to ask Advani’s opinions at the toilet**. And the guy wanted to be Prime Minister…
Imagine 9/11 and New York’s mayor directing rescue operations sitting on his WC. Or Putin waiting to let go that much lingering fart before he decides to send the commandos in.
———–
From Alice in Wonderland - a book by Lewis Caroll.
`I’m afraid I am, sir,’ said Alice (Advani??) to the Caterpillar (Indian People? ) - `I can’t remember things as I used–and I don’t keep the same size for ten minutes together!’
———
Generally, the Queen in the book, had only one way of settling all difficulties, great or small. ‘Off with his head!’ she said, without even looking round. -
And no one does anything about it, at least in novel, the same thing happened in Advani’s India. His only mantra was “Off with Pakistan” without doing anything about it. The final irony is that he too took the train to Pakistan.
From Wiki :
Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland (1865) is a English novel written by English author Lewis Carroll.[1]
It tells the story of a girl named Alice who falls down a rabbit hole into a fantasy world. It is considered to be one of the most characteristic examples of the genre of literary nonsense.
hello guys,
Again the masquerade and unnecessary name calling. Is it not immensely tiring?
If this is a forum for discussion, I guess that all shades of opinion need to be considered on merit. Many people do write well considered opinions and it is a pleasure to read them.
I do mock, and some of my ideas are fixed on to a liberal pantheon, but you are welcome to mock me back, but do it well and do it in style.
Done well, that will be a pleasure to read. Not only for me, but for the others too. The Chinese say that when you show anger during an argument, it means that you have effectively lost it. In essence, flamers, please use your Big B rather than your fists on the keyboard. I dont think anyone is amused by your antics here.
It is to the credit of the BJP and its Friends here that they allow opinions other than their own to be voiced. No party is static and many a party has improved when it has co-opted the current trends into itself, look how the congress veered right during Rao’s rule and survived, while the left has been left behind.
The PARK is right at least w.r.t the name, if the BJP continues in this vein it will become the Bharatiya Jurassic Park, as he says….Parties should not only keep their ears close to the ground but align themselves with current trends. It is in such times that external perspectives like the opinions offered here do help.
What some of the critics of the BJP are saying here is simple,
1. Grow UP, the hey days of Hindutva inspired support by the Hindus are over. These days the issue is governance, as the BJP itself realises.
2. There is a vacuum in the centre and you stand the best chance of filling it. Fill it or get out.
3. Speak in one tongue, let not Modi say one thing and Varun another. Rein the colts in before they run away with the party.
3. Create a think tank, like Rajesh says, and push the party, both on the inside and the press, that it is no longer an obscurantist party but one in tune with the times. Let those who wail about the good times of Ram Rajya wail, but don’t let the sounds come out. It is self defeating.
4. The last election was lost not because of quality or quantity of BJP’s work, but because of image, Hindu pride is long gone out of fashion, Indian pride is in, and remember that the BJP was the first to reckon a sense of Indian pride and encourage it. Continue in that vein, make India proud and even the naysayers, whichever faith they be will join in.
5. Verbal diarrhea on Nationalism and Patriotism is passe’ and certainly not enough.
The result of the election results post the Bombay attack shows that the understanding of people have changed, the understanding is no longer black and white, it is more nuanced.
They understand that irrespective of the party in power, there are only so many ways to counter a terror attack. And unlike Advani used to comically do in his hey day, the problem cannot be resolved with verbal diarrhea.You cannot always take the train to Pakistan.
National pride is something that people naturally associate with the BJP. Even I became an admirer of the last BJP government with its clear headed moves on the Indian economy and its infra structure. However I don’t like what I call the dogs of Hindutva, who bark simply because they are well fed and idle.
They spoiled the image of the last Vajpayee government and also contributed to its loss in the last elections. I see the BJP continuing in that vein as suicidal both for the party and the nation. As you can see, they form my primary targets for mockery.
6. Though the international mood is shifting left, many people in India, particularly the intellectuals and the intelligentsia are natural right wingers. See how eager they were align with the BJP in this elections. They too hate the barking dogs, but like the governance and the dynamic ideas that BJP leaders have. Invite more of them in, use them well, project a modern face and change your image to pan national from obscurantist.
5. It is OK that if you have to lose some cadre to win the nation, the cadre are followers and not leaders, if the leaders take the right steps the cadres will automatically follow. This has been the experience of all parties across the world. In short the BJP needs more dynamic and cadre/camera friendly leaders.
I wish, LK Advani who is reputed to be a great reader does read some of the opinions here and guides this dying party back to life.
For those who mock me, do fight with me, no prob, but on ideas and ideals, that is fine. If anybody has issues worth discussing you can always write to my GMAIL id.
————-
Post script:
Well, I could not avoid taking a crack at this…. Sorry.
See how Chidambaram has come through as more active and tougher than Advani or Modi or any of the Hindutva lot, who wring their hands when a real problem erupts, Babri falls, Advani cries and wrings his hands and sobs on Sushmaji’s blouse, the hijacked plane sits in Amritsar and Advani becomes Alice in Wonderland*,Gujarat erupts, Vajpayee dithers, and Jaswant is forced to ask Advani’s opinions at the toilet**. And the guy wanted to be Prime Minister…
Imagine 9/11 and New York’s mayor directing rescue operations sitting on his WC. Or Putin waiting to let go that much lingering fart before he decides to send the commandos in.
———–
From Alice in Wonderland - a book by Lewis Caroll.
`I’m afraid I am, sir,’ said Alice (Advani??) to the Caterpillar (Indian People? ) - `I can’t remember things as I used–and I don’t keep the same size for ten minutes together!’
———
Generally, the Queen in the book, had only one way of settling all difficulties, great or small. ‘Off with his head!’ she said, without even looking round. -
And no one does anything about it, at least in novel, the same thing happened in Advani’s India. His only mantra was “Off with Pakistan” without doing anything about it. The final irony is that he too took the train to Pakistan.
From Wiki :
Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland (1865) is a English novel written by English author Lewis Carroll.[1]
It tells the story of a girl named Alice who falls down a rabbit hole into a fantasy world. It is considered to be one of the most characteristic examples of the genre of literary nonsense.